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masher 2.1

Discussion in 'REAKTOR' started by cato_six, May 18, 2006.

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  1. cato_six

    cato_six NI Product Owner

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    I'm using daniel battaglia's live loop masher,

    http://www.native-instruments.com/i...y_us&type=0&ulbr=1&plview=detail&patchid=4064

    seems to be working great, but I would like to be able to use it in live. My question is about the assigned keys on the live fx unit. currently they are pretty much just the bottom row z,x,c,v,b,n,m etc.

    live accepts keyboard input as midi- q,w,e,r,ty, etc.

    see where I'm going with this? ;)

    but doesn't recognise the bottom row! so close!

    does anyone have a solution or at least some guidance..? whilst I still have some hair left...

    most appreciated


    cato77
     
  2. sowari

    sowari Moderator Moderator

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    yes it does.

    A-J are the same as Z-M (or Q-U)

    A in Live is C (maybe the default is C3?). in Reaktor, Z and Q are C2 and C3

    basically you have to transpose your Live qwerty keyboard using either the Z or X keys (i think? and i can't remember which is up and which is down, my guess Zwould be up).

    sowari
     
  3. cato_six

    cato_six NI Product Owner

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    brilliant. funnily enough, you can control them from a regular midi keyboard as well. :\

    who'd a thunk it?


    thanks again.
     
  4. sowari

    sowari Moderator Moderator

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    but that is so uncool ;-)

    sowari
     
  5. kid_sputnik

    kid_sputnik NI Product Owner

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    <--daniel battaglia

    yes, all the QWERTY keys are actually MIDI keys - i used selective gate modules, set to the notes of the QWERTY keyboard, which are as follows:
    Z row - 48+ white keys
    A row - 49+ black keys
    Q row - 60+ white keys
    1 row - 61+ blacvk keys

    the ableton live QWERTY keyboard is far more flexible, but im more used to the reaktor one.

    btw, did you check out my buffer:masher? its basically the livesampler part from masher, which will work very low CPU in the ableton live enviornment (multiple instances, even). this will allow you to use ableton for regular loop triggering and for the ableton/VST FX, all at a decent CPU amount. actually, all the live edits to the beat on the track i have up on myspace was done with buffer:masher (the original beat, before livesampling, plus alot of the synths, where done on fourtechre, by phil durrant, which is honestly the most used instrument for composition on my enture computer, inside and out of reaktor - thanks phil!).
     
  6. kid_sputnik

    kid_sputnik NI Product Owner

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    btw, cato, i deleted the duplicate of this thread in the ULCS forum, since no one responded there, and people did respond here. just tidying up the place, not tryinh to be a jerk or anything!
     
  7. T-spoon

    T-spoon New Member

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    Hi,
    I've got a real problem with masher on my mac, no sound is coming out. I know I am not the only one but I didn't find any solution to fix this, does anyone have a clue?

    Thanks a lot!
     
  8. kid_sputnik

    kid_sputnik NI Product Owner

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    hey, im sorry i never updated that ensemble. i would really recommend you just use CList's Beatlookup, unless you want to do some Reaktor Surgery (not a bad idea, if you are ok with Core)!

    the problem, as far as i can tell, is due to the fact that Core initialization is differant between PC and Mac. it is bad programming on my part. there is a divide-by-zero happening somewhere at init on Mac's only. i think it is early on in the structure, probably somewhere in the part that calculates either grainsize, or the grain ramps. one good idea is to compare the structure with that of my Buffer::Masher. i think this one works on Mac's. ill give it a look but since i dont have a spare install for my wife's Mac, it is hard for me to test. i dont have tons of time to do it, but i'll try.

    T-Spoon, what kind Mac are you on? PowerPC? i assumed that MacTel's will work like PC, since they probably use the same Assemblers? (not sure about that, but since it is the same Chip i would imagine so).
     
  9. T-spoon

    T-spoon New Member

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    Masher

    Well I've got a powerpc processor. Indeed it would be a good idea to compare Masher with Buffer::Masher 'cause it works really well on my mac (thanks a lot by the way its awesome).
     
  10. theologiae

    theologiae NI Product Owner

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    i remember being so bummed when you put masher out because i couldn't get it going on my mac. all that pain came back to me in a rush. but it dawned on my that i'm a hell of a lot better with reaktor now then i was back then (the dark ages?) so i downloaded the ens. again, and tracked down the problem.


    and the winner is.......the filter macro!


    bypass that macro and it works like a charm (well, i just got it working, so i haven't done full tests) but it takes care of the feedback problem that is caused.

    i'll dig a little deeper to figure out what it is about that macro that $#%@ everything up, but for now, mac people can jam.
     
  11. theologiae

    theologiae NI Product Owner

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    ok,

    i'm waiting to go to a show, so i'm killing time (not people) and i've found a few things of note. in the two pics, i've made changes to the structure and it seems to be working.

    pic #2. the event loop that happens in the buttons macro can be healed by a unit delay. that "seems" to fix the problem. i need to do some more testing.

    pic #1. the buttons for the filter FX do not work. that need to be rebuilt to function right. this is how i did it. you might have a better idea.
     

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  12. sowari

    sowari Moderator Moderator

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    nice one theo :)

    i also think the lamp inside the macro needs to be always active (to change colour).

    btw, this LazyFish i dea seems to work, see pic.

    sowari
     

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  13. theologiae

    theologiae NI Product Owner

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    yeah, after taking some cold medicine and ditching the show, i found that my plan kills the "radio button" part of it. so i'll need to go back and get that right. and also, the unit delay does not work. when you reload the ens. it give you the feedback problem again.

    more work to get this one flushed out. but at least it works now. YEAH!
     
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