Massive as a Reason Rack Extension

I'm surprised someone hasn't suggested this already (after doing a quick search I couldn't find any threads about it).

I would love to see Massive in the Reason rack. Especially if NI implemented all the modulators as CV outputs and allowed external audio to be routed through the filters. But in general it would just be nice to be able to use Massive with Reason without having to resort to rewire or sampling.

Add your +1 if you agree...

 

+1 Totally agree!

 

No way would I do this if I was NI.

I'd create a Reason-killer instead.

NI have plenty of devices to offer in their OWN rack.

The Props need to be challenged.

 

I'm guessing this is not the attitude of most software developers when presented with a new format and a new untouched market with which to sell their products.

Also, being a user of both NI products and Reason I'm pretty grateful you are not NI.

 

+1 id definitely buy it

 

Probably won't happen.

 

Why do you say that?

 

RE has limitations in its GUI framework, so plugins like Alchemy, Massive aren't fit for RE format... yet.

 

Diversity is the name of the game when it comes to sound synthesis ('DAWs' in general). Why challenge someone if you can "use" them to increase your own revenue even further ?

Lets also not forget that NI is all about sound and extension. Reason killer? Nice try; so far NI focusses on (massively) enhancing already existing products out there. Think Komplete, think their individual stuff such as Absynth or Guitar Rig (which full versions I happen to own).

Reason is a market which NI could never address so far simply due to the fact that Reason does not support VST's nor RTAS' (obviously). Yet now they can.

And here's a sweetener: people who buy a Reason 'Rack Extension' buy into Reason, its a tied in format. A lot of people pick Reason and stick with it. Others venture on and start experimenting.

What do you think would happen if NI would start Reason RE's while also providing crossgrades to full versions for Reason RE owners?

Rack Extensions or not; there are still plenty of Reason users who venture on using rewire....

In my (biased!) opinion a joint venture between NI & the PHeads would directly challenge the (AFAIK) quite successful combo of Ableton & Cycling '74 (Live 8 & Max for Live, which directly challenges (sort off) the Reaktor market).

Speculating: Reaktor as a Rack Extension within Reason. With the high acclaimed stability of Reason (I am a die hard Live user but in all honestly can not deny that Reason is a whole lot more stable and robust when it comes to crashes).

That is something I'd describe as a killer combo.

(apologies for drifting off a bit; I know the thread was about Massive within Reason).

 

Reaktor is not remotely suited for encapsulation in a RE. Propellorheads need a static GUI front and back for their CSV wire rack concept to work. Reaktor cannot provide this because of it's modular nature.

The only way this'll fit into the RE concept is if every single 'module component' available in Reaktor gets its own module within Reason. And then you'll very quickly have instruments that look as complicated as the edit view in Reaktor.

 

I can understand why the big pluggins like Reaktor and Kontakt won't work but in all fairness this is a thread about Massive.

Obviously some work will have to be done to accomadate the GUI requirements of Reason, but I think it can be done. If you look at the way Etch was adapted and the forthcoming Predator from Rob Papen then I think a version of Massive is possible. It just means its screen space foot print will be bigger (as all the envelopes,LFOs and sub menus will have to be on the screen at the same time with their own dedicated knobs), or it will have to be a slightly cut down version.

Anyway I think it's possible to adapt at least the core elements and have a version of some form or another as a RE. As long as you get the key elements in there (the wave tables, the filters, the modulators and the effects) then I think it would work.

It would definitely sell (if done right) in the Reason community, I know that much.

 

I totally agree!

 

Massive, FM8 and Battery

I agree that Reaktor and Kontakt might not be realistic candidates. But I would love to see Massive, FM8, and a streamlined version of Battery (love the drum sounds) as REs. NI through Cubase was my main set up, while slowly warming up to Reason which sat idle in my computer for the first year. But I find that 80 percent of my work is done in Reason these days, and one of the reasons (no pun intended) was because every version of Cubase I installed was unstable and poorly supported (PreSonus is making up ground in that area with their DAW), and quite frequently resulted in damaged or corrupted files. But I used this because I loved the NI products. Now I import NI parts from Cubase into Reason, instead of rewiring.

I think even a smattering of NI offerings would be a win-win for both NI and Propellerheads. Reason and NI both have very unique sounds that would be very complimentary within the very stable Reason/RE platform.

But I am not a programmer. So I am speaking ideally. And for the gentleman that thinks the nature of these companies is to destroy each other's efforts, it might be time to put down your Ayn Rand or corporate raider bible. I think cooperation between companies could expand market share for all, and provide an exciting expanded musical palette of options for artists.

 

Yeah NI and Reason would be a beautiful collaboration. Reason is in my opinion the best synth/sequencer on the market. I am addicted to reason's work flow and will never leave. On the other hand NI has some of the best instruments on the market. Being able to use NI synths in conjunction with reasons combinator structure would have amazing results.

And yes every daw except reason i own runs like ****. I mean i have nightmares of protools and cubase seems a little better but vst's crash at least once every other day. It's just a normal thing like "oh a vst crashed again". Where as reason hasn't crashed on me...not...even...once...in 5 years. Literally.

 

Reaper is great when it comes to VSTs... if a crash happens, it's plugin's fault, not Reaper's. And then there's plugin firewalling, which only closes plugin's process and not the host, so you can continue working. It's splendid

 

isn't only all about crashing, is 20% about reason workflow, 30% about its semi-modular Architecture, and 20% about its CVing, 30% about its stability. Reason + NI is definitely the way to go!

as RE are not Able to crack, NI will gain much more money if it will release Re Version of its instruments!

My 2 cents..

 

i would rather like to see a massive2 with high cpu usage and good quality

 

+1 I would love to see a lot of the Native Instruments stuff in the Reason rack and since the Rack Extension store does not allow for bundles NI could make a killing selling individual instruments as Rack Extensions for Reason. Plus there are things like Reaktor that obviously will not happen but hell I would even kill for Guitar Rig in Reason and I am not a big fan of Guitar Rig though I do own it.

 

we can all say reason has the best sequencer and maschine is lacking in this area.

 

+1 million show me where i can spend money on this!