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Massive X let’s go it’s here

Discussion in 'MASSIVE + MASSIVE X' started by MO$, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. MO$

    MO$ NI Product Owner

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    Validation error plug-in Missing etc......
    I solve this problem by restarting my computer after install not sure if there’s a help everybody but seem to be a problem with this happening
    I also re-installed nothing changed luckily I restarted my computer before I re-scanned my komplete database which takes forever
     
  2. RealTMX

    RealTMX New Member

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    Thanks for the answer. I'll give it a try after my current download and installation.
     
  3. Bu11e

    Bu11e New Member

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    The performer part is amazing to say the least. Has anyone figured out if there is some sort of undo functionality? I cant really grasp how i am going to work with this without being able to undo..
     
  4. TomSwirly

    TomSwirly New Member

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    What?! Still no undo?

    What is it about Native Instruments that they refuse to put undo in their products? People have been asking for an undo on Battery for well over ten years!

    EDIT: Apparently people have been asking for undo on Massive for 12 years.
     
  5. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon Well-Known Member

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    Some DAWs do plugin undo just fine. Massive has undo in Reaper working nicely. Consequently, Massive X as well.
     
  6. TechLo

    TechLo NI Product Owner

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    I mean, seriously? I can't find one anywhere...it doesn't exist?
     
  7. stuartpm3

    stuartpm3 New Member

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    Hi, ive been playing with Massive X for an hour. Congratulations NI. Great synth. No crashes either. Funny enough ive been reading Mark Vales Vintage synth book today. This new synth reminds me of a big modular synth. Loads of knobs and buttons plus routing.

    I mainly use a mac but im away from it at the moment so my test was done on a win 10 laptop. I drove it using my fractal sequencer so sat back while it played itself and twiddled the controls of massive x Great fun. Www.stuartpryer.co.uk

    My question is what do you people use on win 10 to record internal sounds? There is no stereo mix on my sound card. I was hoping to post a demo of Massive X on this forum.

    Cheers

    Stu
     
  8. TechLo

    TechLo NI Product Owner

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    Shelved until a manual comes out. Have picked up plenty of other kit from summer sales to learn in the meantime.
     
  9. Stormchild

    Stormchild NI Product Owner

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    I love it. There's so much variety in the presets. I can definitely hear the Massive lineage, but this is even more massive. This thing sounds GOOD.

    Well done, NI! It was worth the wait. Alright, going back in for more.
     
  10. trusampler

    trusampler NI Product Owner

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    Native Instruments just murdered every other synth in my collection with Massive X the devils in the details! Amazing job NI ;)
     
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  11. Retro-8

    Retro-8 NI Product Owner

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    While everyone is celebrating the release I will respect your opinion. For me as a person who is a big fan of NI products this is a complete let down...

    NI please how can you even compete with your own legacy synths ? So much hype and wait it took me 5 minutes to check it out and uninstall it. Am not going to keep it just to collect another 100 preset soft synth. The original massive is far more usable , intuitive and superior ... I hope you take this as constructive criticism as positivity for better future roadmap ...
     
  12. EvilDragon

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    5 minutes to check out then uninstall. That's funny.
     
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  13. Retro-8

    Retro-8 NI Product Owner

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    Maybe little more ;). Nonetheless this should have never been called massive. Maybe super 8X ..what a missed opportunity here . ...
     
  14. mattrixx

    mattrixx NI Product Owner

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    I am totally loving this synth.
     
  15. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon Well-Known Member

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    I think you're missing the point a lot. It definitely deserves to be called Massive. Try to explore it some more. It does sound absolutely massive.
     
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  16. Retro-8

    Retro-8 NI Product Owner

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    Aside from the preset design possibilities ,do you honestly think the interface is intuitive and fun ?

    Is this a finished product In 2019 standards ? Am not going to compare it to what is in the market serum , omnisphere or any other soft synth because it’s an unfair, unbalanced comparison I do understand . I a, only comparing it to the original beloved massive , which was a lot more fun. I have other NI soft synths that I enjoy and can do far a lot with than with the new massive x.

    Add to that I honestly think with 100 over preset feels like the designers themselves got uninspired?. you do get some bread and butter presets that’s about it. The bass collection is questionable hardly few. but when you listen to them and go through honestly no inspiration or anything new to the table that makes me say wow what a beast .again this is my own opinion.
     
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  17. EvilDragon

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    The interface does need a little bit of introduction, but once you figure it out it's really fast to use, and yeah, quite fun as well.
     
  18. Luca80

    Luca80 NI Product Owner

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    Something is intuitive: underlined words if clicked have option's curtains like many design softwares. Other aspects are complex, a manual could tell what specific features effectively do.
    For example I don't understand why in the routing the FX area is marked as Monophonic
     
  19. Nikal Might

    Nikal Might NI Product Owner

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    I think the modulation slots need to stand out a bit more as they're quite hard to see and there needs to be a right click option to disable modulation without deleting it. I'm quite annoyed that there's no manual released as a lot of things are quite hard to understand without some sort of explanation.
     
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  20. TomSwirly

    TomSwirly New Member

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    Ah, interesting! Reaper lets you undo on Massive? I have to check that out. Does it work on the previous version of Massive, which is what I have?

    Ah, does that also work for Battery? Battery's lack of undo is also draggy for me.

    But does that mean I still have to edit in a tiny VST pop up screen?

    I really don't know Reaper as well as I should...

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    The lack of undo is really the reason I stopped using Native Instruments. I use a vast number of digital tools in my working life, and all of them except NI's products have undo. In fact, these days nearly all of them have unlimited undo during one session, and many have workflow tools to let you do much more sophisticated things like branching and redoing operations, even saving a series of operations as a macro or workflow.

    If I have some pretty good patch and I want to save a copy of it and explore further, the workflow for doing this is truly miserable - tons of mousing and typing and the possibility of error. In my other tools, I have this attached to a softkey, because I want to be able to quickly explore a radical possibility and then just as quickly decide to keep or discard it.

    So I feel constantly like I'm walking on eggshells. It's nerve-wracking, I can't relax, and occasionally I destroy work anyway (classic example - I thought I had saved under a new patch, but I'm still on the original patch, and I overwrite a good patch with an experimental one - I have done this one more times than I can remember, though I usually have "backups of an earlier version".)

    I never feel this using any other tools. I don't even know Photoshop very well, but I never worry about making mistakes, because it makes it so easy to see what I did, revert it or even correct it and to it right. Other programmer's tools like git and emacs are less slick but offer in many ways even more fine-grained undo/redo/parallel do.

    And these are tools that are _decades_ old. It's not like it's rocket science.

    (Ah, and relentless mousing is the other reason for stopping using the programs. What is it about digital audio where you have to use the mouse for everything? The reason my hands are in... acceptable shape after decades of programming is because I avoid using the mouse - because every single person who studies repetitive strain points to the mouse as the chief culprit. I look at some of the tiny NI windows with tiny buttons, some with the possibility of randomizing your patch with no undo, and my hand begins to ache just thinking about it!)
     
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