Master/Slave?

I'm looking, but so far I've not been able to duplicate the functionality of setting a deck to slave in Traktor Pro. I liked the ability to change the tempo the master deck and have the slave (or slaves) follow, keeping everything in time. Am I missing this, or has that functionality been axed.

Also, I like the idea of MIDI modifiers, but why no modifiers for keyboard commands? I like my MIDI controller, but I like my keyboard for some functions better...

 

I want to get rid of them completely to sync like before when playing with 2 decks by just pressing sync and it syncs once.. now it continuosly syncs, so when one track is finished and i load in the new one, the playing deck resyncs on the new speed (just jumped from 130 to 140bpm.. not really funny )

 

First, I think there is a way to do that. IIRC, in the manual it says you can turn off syncing by double clicking the sync button. HTH.

But, in any case, I think we're both in essentially the same boat. The whole synchronization metaphor has changed significantly and it doesn't seem like there is a real clear explanation of the logic behind it. Perhaps if someone who is "in the know" could give a breakdown a la the "What's new/What's different" section that the manual has (which I think is helpful BTW) with regard to syncing, I think it would be helpful.
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I should mention that I'm also having an issue getting my transport cues set up like they were under T3. I'm not accustomed to the play on release functionality that the CUP button (and it's associated keyboard command has) although I know that some people prefer it that way. But, in case anyone has the answer, here is what I had (and would like to replicate if possible:

-One key to set a cue while the track is playing which does not stop the track

-One key to play a track from the active cue point which activates on press (not on release). E.g. if the track isn't playing, when you press the key, it will start the track. If the track IS playing it will immediately start the track again from the cue point.

-One key to return to the cue point and pause the playhead on the cue

My apologies for basically hijacking my own thread, but any help would be appreciated. Oh, and as long as I'm on the topic, I'm generally liking TPro, but I think it's going to take some getting used to. My only hope is that NI hasn't changed SO much functionality so that it makes my old workflow completely obsolete... (Fingers crossed)

 

Anyone? Please? Seems like a pretty basic yes/no question as far as my initial post is concerned...

 

This is a huge oversight for Traktor Pro as far as I'm concerned.

The way I see from just starting out with PRO today is the following:

The only way to get a deck to slave (i.e. automatically adjust the pitch of the track, so the track's BPM matches the Master BPM) is to hit SYNC.

The problem with this is when you hit SYNC it centers the phase meter (very likely undesirably) and if you then adjust the phase meter either way, sync goes off and you are back to square one, i.e. the track is no longer automatically slaving to master tempo changes.

The whole cue facility in Traktor PRO is so improved i.e. HOT Cues that dont reset the phase meter, and all the quantising stuff. The external midi-clock input is a blessing, however there is no way to get the decks to follow such a sync source.

I used to be able to just set the four decks to slave and leave it set. Then I'd move the master tempo and slip the tracks either way to get them to sit nicely together. Now you can't. In my view no slave is a 100% show stopper.

Native - what say you?

Peace,

Ritchie.

 

Ritchie THANK YOU! I was beginning to think that I was just missing something. I agree with you 100%. This MUST be fixed. I think I'm on 3.4 until this changes.

 

Glad i'm not the only one having problems with this. ?

 

Deck slave must be put back!

 

i'm a bit troubled with the new sync system too.

my main point of criticism is that the master clock is not always the "master". from my experience so far, under certain circumstances a deck becomes master after i pressed sync ..... although i explicitely turned off the auto master function.
what i want is the master clock to be the master when i tell it to be... always.. this should never change afterwards.

maybe this is a bug or i didn't understand the system entirely, or maybe my midi mapping was wrong, but this needs to be looked at again.

 

trying to clear it up ...

If you set one deck as Master Deck, all other decks ar autimatically set as slaved decks. Even the Master Clock is slaved in this case.
The ability to change the tempo of all decks by changing it for the Master Deck is still there.


The whole behavior of the Transport Controls in Traktor Pro are built after Pioneers CDJs because they are like a standard for the most clubs.

Use the IN button of the Loop Section. That is something like a "hidden feature". A loop only becomes a loop, when OUT will be clicked after IN. Clicking just IN sets a Current Cue Point.

The only way is to map a Hotcue, I guess. Clicking a Hotcue behaves like you want.
CUP is supposed to be used like this: navigate to a cue point, hold CUP until the playing tracks reaches the position at which you want to start the next track, then let CUP go.

That simply is the CUE button while a track is playing.

As I mentioned, it is still there. Every deck that is not the Master is automatically slaved.
Depending on the mode you use (Master Clock Panel), one deck always is the Master and the others are slaved (Auto Mode) or you set the Master by yourself (Manual Mode) and define a deck as Master by clicking the MASTER button on this deck. If no deck is set as Master the Master Clock itself is the Master and all decks are slaved.

No, the Master Clock is the tempo Master until you click the MASTER button of any deck. Clinking SYNC does not change the master status aof the Master Clock.



(al lot of "Master" in this text... I hope it makes the content clear anyway)

 

That sounds a lot like the manual (I did read it, BTW), however there's either some miscommunication or I'm doing something wrong. Incidentally, I asked Phil about this and he confirmed that this functionality had been removed, but I would love to be proven wrong. Just so we're on the same page, tell me, if you can, how the following is possible:

Deck A is playing and set to master. I load a track into Deck B. I want to loop up track B (I think I know how to do that ) and then I want to gradually increase the tempo of Deck A and have Deck B automatically increase at the same time (basically, the tempos are locked together). Short of pressing the Sync button about 1000 times (which isn't really what I want), I'm not sure how you can do that in TPro. In 3.4 I just set deck A to Master and Deck B to Slave...

To be clear, I think the thing is that the definition of a "slave" deck has changed. Slave used to mean "locked to master tempo" now it means something like "not master"...

Yeah, I pretty much got that it's modeled after the CDJ. The thing is, they've pretty much stripped out all of the controls which let you configure the transport so it's NOT like a CDJ. In 3.4 you really had the option.

I like the loop hint though, I may just have to use that. My solution was to do basically the same thing but using the set+store cue (I believe) function. The only downside is that you might end up with a bunch of hot cues that aren't where you want, but the upside is that I could play a track and set a bunch of cues really quickly.

See, it's things like this that I can actually live with--it's not exactly how I used to do it, but maybe it will end up being better. Unfortunately, I'm not getting that feeling with the new Master setup.

 

Maybe because I wrote the most part of the manuals...

Phil ist a very qualified person, but he was just wrong in this case.

It's as simple as you can imagine... at first: "not master" in TPro is the same like "locked to master tempo".
You just have to set Deck A as Master Deck and change the tempo of it after loading a track into Deck B and watch the tempo of Deck B.

It's the only good way to get your desired functionallity.
An additional info to that: cue points in TPro are just loops without any length. Sounds crazy, but works like this.

 

Nice!

Well, if it works like that then I wouldn't have much concern, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't. I guess I'll give it another shot and see what happens.

--- Open Traktor, try again ---

OK, maybe you've got a different version than I do (1.0.1) but it just doesn't work that way. Here's how it goes on my version. Load track into Deck A and play it, Master lights up (because it is auto-selected). Load track into Deck B and play it (or don't, either way the outcome is the same). Change tempo of Deck A. Tempo of deck A changes, Tempo of deck B does not.

Am I missing a setting or something?



It's the only good way to get your desired functionallity.
An additional info to that: cue points in TPro are just loops without any length. Sounds crazy, but works like this.

 

That's exactly the way I do and it works fine. I'm confused!

I'm using 1.0.1.070, too.
Both tracks you use have Betagrids and are in an similar tempo range?
How do you change the tempo of Deck A?

 

Oh DAMN! It does work! So, apparently something was weird with some setting. I basically went back in, turned the Master Master (that's confusing, but I mean the non-deck master) and switched it from Auto to Manual and back again and it just started working. Previously, the sync light didn't light up at all, but now it does and everything works as you indicated. Obviously, I haven't had any time to really play with it and find out if there are any other problems, but it seems like this is what I've been looking for...

It's not often I like to be proven wrong but this time I'm VERY HAPPY that you've done so!

 

There has to be a bug!

BDX: Thanks for the explanation. The way you describe makes prefect sense to me and I always wished Traktor would become like this, and am looking forward to it working correctly.

However: mine simply won't do it.

I have the master clock set to Auto.

I have four tracks gridded and looping perfect, they are similar BPM.

I set deck A to master. (For example)

I move the pitch fader for deck A and NONE of the other pitch faders move.

Mix goes to crap.

If other decks are synced it works as you describe however, as stated in my earlier post, that stops working as soon as you nudge the deck in any way.

Peace,

Ritchie.

 

OK, so I've been experimenting with this a little and I think I might have figured out something. It seems that the intended functionality doesn't happen unless both tracks are beat-gridded. Maybe that's obvious, but here's the thing, shouldn't they ALL really be beat gridded if I have the "Place AutoGrid-Marker" checked?

As far as I can tell, I can only really get the tracks to lock if they've been manually beat gridded. Any ideas?

 

Well, I'm glad for you D.J. G Mint but here it's just a mess.

 

Well, I know how that feels. Perhaps you can specify further and get your issue worked out...

 

Im going to install on another machine and see if it is any different.

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