Matched cabinet, Control Room & Control Room Pro

I installed this afternoon some demo versions of among others, Reflektor (not Litle Reflektor), to test the load of different IR, after reading a couple of threads here in CR.
Then I found some information here http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/gr5-redwirez-list.165505/ that said that Control Room Pro had the same IRs found in RedWirez.
As an example I found this information about IR Redwirez (Vox AC30 Vox labeled Alnico Silvers).
https://redwirez.com/pages/vox-ac30-with-vox-labeled-alnico-silvers

So the Control Room Pro AC Box component preset (consisting of 2x12 AC Silver cabinet, DYN 421 microphone in cone position) is the IR equivalent of Redwirez IR?

I have the doubt because Control Room (not pro) in its Brit 2x12 component preset * (Punch, PW, Warm) has a different configuration (Brit 2x12 V72 cabinet, 3 microphones (of 6) with configured gain and no position)

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Control Room Pro may also have a similar configuration with the additional feature (among others) of positioning the microphones on the cone, cap and cap edge, however, it only uses one of the eight cabinet slots in its component preset.
My question is: shouldn't Control Room Pro has (at least) the component presets with the necessary microphone and setting combinations already included as the Control Room component?
Is there any reason why this should not be included as part of the overall setup?

In addition, certain microphones are not available for all cabinets, making it somewhat odd that these two very different philosophies coexist.
So if I want to copy the Control Room setting to Control Room Pro, I simply cannot because the microphone is not available for the chosen cabinet.

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ejmillan,

Though your questions and concerns are indeed valid questions and concerns - these questions and concerns should be taken up with NI Support directly, Though EvilDragon does peruse this forum from time-to-time, I am not sure if he is able to provide further comment on this issue.

However, if he IS perusing this posting, then maybe he can comment as to what the best course of action that would be taken in such matters.

This being said, it is my understanding that matters such as this should really be taken up with NI Support directly - as I have already stated.

As question however, why would Control Room and Control Room Pro have to share anything in common? As you,when I first happened across Control Room Pro - I too thought that Control Room Pro would be an updated version of Control Room - but, alas, this apparently is NOT the case. Such assumptions would be further supported as Control Room is still being provided - indeed, as is Cabinets & Mics.

I do hope that this information is helpful and that this information does make some sense - at least as far as I am able to ascertain?

 

My main difficulty lies in the fact that I have no way of knowing which of the sounds emulated is more faithful to that of real-life equipment.
Based on this, I try to understand the different configurations to better take advantage of the Guitar Rig features.
So to understand a little bit all this I did some tests and found the following:

Clarification:
-I made the assumption (perhaps mistakenly) that in the case of cabinet presets, the same name (for example Twang Reverb) would be an emulation configured by default with standard values (in Matched Cabinet) and that this would also be the case in Control Room Pro.
I also assumed that, although in Control Room and Control Room Pro, there is no coincidence with the names of the presets, I resorted to the trick of comparing the graphic icons of the cabinets and microphones to compare under the same conditions (supposedly)

-I installed the Demo version of the Traktors 12 product that included component presets in Matched Cabinet (named with GR3 suffix). After uninstalling Traktors 12, the GR3 component presets are still available (even after a database reset in the Guitar Rig options menu). I took the opportunity to compare the different sounds with these legacy presets as well.

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I loaded a test track in Tapedeck Pre, playing it in a loop, towards the effects chain input.
My first surprise was that the Matched Cabinet component presets with the GR3 suffix didn't sound the same as the presets without that suffix.
It is also clear that they are not duplicate component presets (as they sound quite different),
So I found more things to understand the evolution of this (GR3-GR4-GR5)
I also enabled the legacy Cabinets & Mics component and compared the sound to the other Cabinet components (Matched Cabinet, Control Room, and Control Room Pro) in the presets that shared names or matched elements.
Each of them sounded different. In some cases, even the sound found in Cabinets & Mics I liked more than the others (no matter if it really does not emulate 100% the cabinet and microphones that appear in the preset)
So my conclusion is that each of these components has its own personality and that the same combinations of microphones and cabinets of a component, give very different results in another component. This makes each of them have their own scope and all of them are useful, so discard, for example, Cabinets & Mics because it is older, it is not necessarily a good idea (at least for me).
I hope this is useful to someone

 

ejmillan,

... I would believe that this anomaly would really depend on the developer. If I have three different amp sims and I test an AC 30 on each one...using the same amp/cab/mic as provided by each of the amp sims - you can be assured, that each AC 30 will sound different!

... I am not too sure if this is an appropriate method to take here? As a proper response to this topic may tend be a lengthy one, I will postpone further comments here for a future posting, DV.

... I would have expected the same data would have been used for both...but this point, however, does NOT appear to be the case ... as each cabinet emulation does sound quite different.

... I am not too sure if this information is entirely accurate? I do not have of the aforementioned add-ons installed, and I am observing the same Component Presets as you are. Please see attached image...

...I am not too sure why you would have expected them to be so? Though GR5 did have an addendum explaining some of the differences between v5 and v4, I did not find an addendum for v4. This might be a question to take up with NI Support.

...Again, I am not too sure why you would have expected this to be so?

 

Thanks for reading my long post.
About the Matched Cabinet _GR3 component presets, you may be right. Among so many screenshots and so many tests, I may confuse Matched Cabinet presets with Control Room Pro presets.

On other topics:
Cabinet and microphone components sound different although they are called the same.
Yes, I expected that in the same simulator the cabinet and microphone components would sound the same when sharing the same settings. We are not talking about 3 different amplifier simulators (from different developers) since that would be normal in those cases.
I was surprised because I did not expect this to happen in the same simulator. However, in Guitar Rig, this happens, and it is better this way because the possibilities are greater.
The last part of my post, where it says "..so discard, for example, Cabinets & Mics because it is older, it is not necessarily a good idea (at least for me)"
I meant: It's not a good idea to ignore the legacy "Cabinets & Mics" component just because it's an old version.
In the installation of Guitar Rig, this inherited component is hidden by default and must be activated in the options menu (I do not understand why NI hid this by default)

 

ejmillan,

... I am not too sure why NI would do this either?

I believe that it is important to note that for new users of Guitar Rig - that the older "legacy" components simply may not be considered as entirely usable - thus the possible omission.