MIDI file export or MIDI output ports

I agree 95%:

a) Midi in is essential for this product to have some true value over others. In fact, I won't be keeping this product nor ordering the bulk for my project if its not implemented.

b) The sequencer is interesting...absolutely. BUT, it will not replace my DAW at this point, or any point in the nearby future. And I don't want to manage TWO sequencers simultaneously...which is what has to be done now if you use as a plugin.

 

firstly i also really want to have MIDI in and out... in fact, MIDI out is more important to me as i want to use Maschine to drive Reaktor Synths and Samplers inside Kore 2.

having said that, as someone who reads quite a lot of music tech magazines, i have noted a real shift with production techniques in the last couple of years. more and more artist/producers are committing their parts to audio quite early in the production process. Maschine has that option well covered.

i also have to say that i really enjoy using the Maschine Sequencers... much more than using MIDI to build up tracks in my current main DAWs Logic 8 and Pro Tool 7.4. i also like the fact that i can build up stuff in Maschine standalone, without the distraction of using a DAW.

for me, the great thing about Maschine is that it makes me create in a different way... and that different way is really benefiting my creative flow and my music.

wanting to use Maschine as a Rompler, is ignoring 80% of what it can do.

but yes, i do need MIDI in and out

sowari

 

+1 for sending MIDI data out to other hardware or to expose MIDI data to software when used as plugin.

-1 for sending MIDI data out to Kore2 etc. Instead Maschine should work either as a VSTi host or (even better for NI and the users) as a fully integrated solution with Kore2 (which would itself provide the VSTi hosting capability). It would be amazing to be able to browse Kore 2 sounds/effects from Maschine and use them directly inside Maschine, without opening Maschine inside a DAW.

Please NI, give us a software update to do that and a discounted bundle with Kore2!

 

I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater by any means here, because I do still believe that most of Maschine's problems are quite fixable through software updates, so I believe in its potential, because it is a strong concept. However, I got to side with JBlongz on this one... I DID do quite a bit of research before making my purchase and I watched all the videos and read all the documentation I could find, but they certainly weren't playing up the fact that sure you could do all these cool things, but NOT as a plug-in. I wanted to be able to do all the things from the videos as a plug-in, too. So I do feel at least a little bit duped... I mean WHY not midi out? From what I can see from the moderator's responses on these boards and even on the Ableton forum, no one has a good answer for this... Is it really just to protect their precious samples, or something? 'Cause I really just don't get it, and usually when there is such a glaring omission that no definitive answer is given for, I usually find that copy protection is somehow to blame. Which upsets me about something that is selling for $600...

 

Well they aren't protecting the samples because they are very accessible from the Finder, even the instrument sounds. My intuitive GUESS is that they were "running low" on money for the project and had to sell enough to pay programmers. That is the only 'legit' excuse I can accept.

 

I'm thinking that it was more of a copy protection thing the more I look at it. If you had both MIDI in and out working from the get-go, chances are that you'd already be seeing cracks of the software, because the sequencer would be both sending to and receiving from a host, thereby emulating a lot of features you'd normally use the controller for. And, that's why I can see MIDI out being implemented soon, but a lot of head scratching about MIDI in; I think you'll see being able to record the controller as host automation instead.

ew

 

It this is all about copy protection, then shame on NI. I totally concede protecting intellectual property, but I'd rather them add iLok authorization than to sacrifice features we need.

 

-1 on the iLok IMHO.

Would not be down with that at all.

 

I guess every protection system can be hacked, but I wonder if NI investigated the possibility of using the controller as "dongle". Without the controller connected it shouldn't be possible to use the software.

But please don't let this be the reason for making Maschine less powerful than it can be. That's like putting a small engine in a Ferrari to make it less interesting for car thieves. Sure it looks nice and still gets you from A to B, but the ride won't be as fast and exciting as you expect from a car like this.

 

The first version of Kore needed the controller attached. Due to enough people requesting otherwise, they made it work without the controller with the 1.1 update. Three days later, the first crack was seen =(

And NI went the dongle route once; Reaktor 3 was dongled. Due to public demand, it was dropped for R4. Now, you see threads on the Reaktor forum and on other forums here on the site asking for a dongle for copy protection. You can't please everybody...

ew

 

No, I suppose not... :|

 

Bring on the dongle and the features.

 

Not that I think they would do it....
but I would be absolutely livid if they implemented some kinda dongle, iLok scheme after I have already purchased Maschine! If we would be going down that path I would sell Maschine immediately and get an MPC or more likely dig deeper into Live's Drumracks with a PadKontrol.

Isn't this thread about the implementation of Midi In/Out and Export?

 

+1
I'm currently working on a film and I've been struggling with the Maschine scene changes and L8. Maschine is kinda of a nightmare when you're working with complex arrangements. It would be so awesome to program beats within Maschine and just drag the MIDI into Logic for further editing and arranging ( ala stylus RMX.)

I'm a bit discouraged that this product is so incomplete and single minded, instead of being flexible and open. Just MHO.
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+1 Yes! otherwise NI should market Maschine as a stand-alone product ONLY!

 

i think the problem here is that NI have gone for a very flexible fx routing system (with automation) - as an example- which really does put Maschine out in front of the pack. but in doing that, they have sacrificed features that other people would expect to have :|

but i hear you, and agree with you

sowari

 

what`s all this?
omitting features because of CP?

The best way to protect software from being cracked is not to make it in the first place.

NI you are punishing the legit users and not those on crack.

 

Personally if MIDI is not correctly implemented in the next upgrade, i'll sell this out.

Cheers,
8b.

 

what options are there if midi is integrated?

 

yeah man there is nothing.:angry: