MIDI LEARN FINALLY ?

Hi, is it possible to work seriously with this thing now or is there still no midi learn ?

 

nooop haaa screw this thing... and screw NI for not giving a single **** about users. All there products are becoming worse and worse.

 

What host are you running it in?

 

nuendo

 

I don't own that one, but in Logic the Macros show up in the host automatically as midi learnable smart controls and in Bitwig and Studio One I am able to easily create device panels that allow the same.

 

Hi,
Thx for infos so, do i have to buy Logic or Studio One to properly use Ni now ? I never red that in the conditions.
The question is simpler : Why not midi learn ?

 

No I'm just saying maybe there is similar functionality in Nuendo, I just don't know because I have no experience using it. Many hosts these days have the ability to map plugin knobs to midi learn, even if the plugin itself doesn't have it built in.

 

Ok quick search found this:

https://steinberg.help/cubase_pro_a...nts/vst_instruments_vst_quick_controls_c.html

Looks similar to Logic Smart controls - these appear to be midi learnable

https://steinberg.help/cubase_pro_a..._quick_controls_to_a_remote_controller_t.html

 

Thanks i found that time ago but quick control is s**t. you can't "midi learn" them you have to assign them in the quick control setup. you have 8 off those done. game over. if you want 2 massive X well your 8 quick controls are set to first instance and that's it.
also ! this locks your 8 midi controllers to quick control only ! so you need those for any CC for you midi tracks, forget about it. Happy to learn there's a workaround but so far yeah the best way is literally NOT TO USE massive.
also.. how long can i waste finding a workaround for a product that's poorly designed in the first place.
each time i'm thinking "ok, this project i try massiveX", i end up loosing hours that i could spend on creating with quality products.

anyway thanks for help, see you next update for me complaining again because really so many people are pissed and Ni cares so little that yeah... will not get solved.

honestly.. Ni has changed for last 10y. Not beeing able to rate or tag sounds properly for a while now, not beeing able to have "non proprietary" libraires displayed with Ni libraries along with search tool removed makes you feel where this is going: Users are here for cash and we impose the workflow we want them to have. That's why i never buy Ni products anymore. i used to buy or update komplete as soon as it got out without looking much because it was always good new quality coming in.
not anymore.

 

You can simply use host automation directly on the 16 macros...

 

EvilDragon, I have to say, I'm honestly really, really tiring of this tired answer. IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. Full stop.

We... want... MIDI LEARN! It should be standard!

Massive X is a pain in the ass to use right now, period. I have many other options, so I'm using those and patiently waiting for NI to pull its head out and start listening to its loyal customers. I know you're trying to be helpful and all, but this answer just isn't. Sorry. We (almost) all know about host automation already, but that's not what we're asking for.

 

i agree.
it's so standard that if not available (for some reason i don't understand) it should be a red flag disclaimer on the top of "specification"
i would never have bought this knowing it had no midi learn.
and for now on i will never buy any NI product until 1- i'm sure about midi learn 2-.. i'm less upset about a company going a path i don't like (proper tagging is gone, rating presets is now lame, and now midi learn is gone, and not caring about upset customers)
now i just update stuff and never look at new products / sound packages as i'm still pissed about this.
good thing is i focus on other developpers and hardware.

 

What's wrong with his reply though? It's the way MIDI learn is implemented in Massive X, as simple as that.

No, it is what YOU want. Please refrain from speaking for everyone. You are speaking for yourself. I don't even use any kind of MIDI learning 99,9% of the time, simply because I'm tired of learning my 16 knobs and faders of controls, when I can adjust many more parameters, and rather use the mouse instead most of the time. Of course it would be nice to map all controls, but, I wouldn't be able to use all of them anyway.

But, most importantly, stop pretending to speak for everyone, when you are just speaking for yourself.

 

...mmm nop i'm happy he speaks for me here. And if you look in the forum you'll see most people want this.
if you don't want to use midi learn good for you. if you can deal with the mouse only great you'll save lot of money in controllers, but the overwhelming majority of people want to avoid mouse and midi learn is the best versatile and commun way to do it since the 80's (so obvious it sounds even silly saying it) and with massivex we don't have the option.
If midi learn was available YOU WILL STILL WORK THE SAME WAY ! and we could use it how we like.
So i don't understand what triggers you. If things are fine for you.. let go man. No one is going to remove your mouse once midi learn is available.
... or will they ?

 

1. Forums never were a indicator for anything. About 1% of the common population posts here, if even. 2. No, someone posting here doesn't speak for everyone, or the majority, he speaks for himself, and maybe even for you, which makes 2 in total. All I'm asking for is to be a bit more cautious when you say that "We want it!!!". No, YOU want it. Maybe even someone else wants it. Maybe even a group of people wants it. You won't know though. So, just speak for yourself. Easy. I don't claim to ask for the community. I ALWAYS ask for myself, because I can't know what others want. And, I'm not as presumptuous as to pretend I speak for anyone except for myself.

And now, I want so say that I'd like to have every parameter in MX automatable and learnable. That's my opinion. I don't know what the majority actually wants or needs.

 

I'm fine with it. And what other answer do you want? He's literally just stating a fact. That's it. Better implementation of automation or the presence of MIDI learn would be great, but trying to go down the path of making NI out to be a s**t company because a synth doesnt have MIDI learn is insane. There's a demo, didn't you use the demo? That's what it's for. You bought a product. Nowhere in the TOS did it promise that MIDI learn would be added. Damn.

 

Any sight of this basic function on the development horizon yet? In the meantime I'd be grateful if someone could explain how I can use my controller knobs to alter the cutoff in real time in FL Studio.

Edit: nvm found it. Make sure you've assigned cutoff to one of the macros. Move the macro. Then in FL go Tools > Last tweaked > Link to controller and then move the controller knob. Boom bada bing.

While I'm here I just want to congratulate NI on making a synth that sounds so incredible. It's capable of a very diverse range of sounds and yet nothing else sounds quite like it. I personally like it best for sounds that have a metallic edge to them.

 

It is frustratingly inconsistent with NI products - the excellent Super 8 synth has full fat Midi learn capabilities, but Massive X remains a big disappointment.

 

Do I really have to explain that I'm speaking for those of us who do in fact want MIDI learn, that is, "Those of use who want MIDI learn want exactly that and we're not looking for another workaround like DAW automation."

I've been with NI since the '90s. I now own Komplete 12 Ultimate Collector's Edition. I've sunk a ton of money into this company.

I really am not so much interested in what "chk071" or "thurgpold" want. This is a thread for people asking for MIDI learn. The point is not to have people rush to NI's defense here or turn this into a flame war. I'm not interested and won't engage.

The purpose of this thread is to push for MIDI learn and to find out from NI what the current state of development is, when we can expect it, unless I'm missing something.

So, why are any of you who do not need or want MIDI learn even commenting on this thread? That's insane, from my perspective. If you're not going to use it and don't even want it, why are you piping up here at all?

The thread is literally called "MIDI LEARN FINALLY?"

Why would you assume I'm being presumptuous and "Speaking for everyone"? Of course, I'm speaking for those of us who specifically want traditional MIDI learn and not some other solution.

This is why I sometimes am driven to grumpiness on these forums: if it's not having to repeat myself that I'm not interested in workarounds which I already know exist and have previously pointed out knowing, it's having to fend off random people who perplexingly feel the need to rush to the company's defense.

I have more than been around the block with NI. Their support has often been terrible-to-nonexistent, products I've paid a lot for suddenly disappear, some products are allowed to languish and fall terribly behind the times even though the core code is still valuable... my experience has been a real mixed bag. Now, they're changing hands again and I don't know whether or not this is going to be a good or bad thing. I've read much about people who work for NI and what the program management culture there can be like and they explain why things often don't get done or requests are ignored.

"Sh***y company"? I guess that's a matter of perspective, but I feel safe in saying that they've been dropping the ball recently for a lot of their loyal customer base, and some of us are surely considering trying to get out from under having to rely on NI.

 

I'm with you on having threads specifically available for certain feature request and helping our team getting information about how much interest there is. This is something we're going to do a differently in the future so we can really measure what matters most for our users here.

With that said, some users might feel specific features are essential and some not. That's also part of the process and these discussions should be possible so we can better understand what needs to be prioritized. With the right tools and processes, it should be possible to do both at the same stage.