modal bank building.

I have been trying to build a synth using the modal bank,but i just cant get to grips with it.I have heard and seen the prism instrument and i think it sounds fantastic,but to try and recreate it i just get so confused with the modal banks many inputs.I have built the modal bank from the tutourial(5 partails)added various other macros(exciter env,bandpass,lfo`s ect)with limited success.Has anyone got any idea where i can find more info on using the modal bank.cheers glyn

 

Use this exciter:
http://co.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=userlibrary&type=0&ulbr=1&plview=detail&patchid=9467

 

where can i find the tutorial about modal bank?

 

Thanks for the aural exciter Jedinhopy,it sounds great(i`ve just connected it into another project im working on,a polyphonic grain sampler)but the sort of help i am after is more to do with the control of the amount of partials,how to set up the exciter env.IE the controls that are in prism.I know i could buy prism but i believe it can not be excicuted as a ensemble to be manipulated inside reaktor.Thanks once again glyn.
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In section 12.3 Building a simple structure with the modal bank module.It shows how to build a basic 5 partail synth but not a lot of other info i`m afraid.cheers glyn.

 

In
Library\Ensembles\Tutorial Ensembles\New Modules Demo

Documentation in
Reaktor 5 Application Reference English.pdf, p. 359
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That's not quite right. Chet's Aural Exciter is a distortion effect that plays with the frequency content of the incoming signal.

In the sense used by the modal banks, an exciter is a sound source with something like an impulse response.

The modal banks don't make sounds themselves - they are fancy filter banks. Since they need an incoming sound - you must provide that.

In many cases the modal bank parameters model a cabinet or body shape or some type of resonance for an instrument - then you add the sound for that instrument and the modal bank provides the timbre.

The excitation source could be an impulse, a percussive attack, or in general any sound depending on what you want to do.

It's a bit like a convolution or a vocoder.

 

Thanks for that Arachnaut as i don`t think i`ve made my problem clear enough.I have created a modal bank synth using the tutorial in the users guide.It is using only the 5 particals as in the tutorial,but i have added to impulse an exciter envelope with a small amount of success,lfo`s for vibrato ect low and high pass filters to the impulse,and band pass,effects to output.What i can not work out is how to control the particals,IE the amount(upto 128)amplitude and frequency in the same way as in prism.I could control all 128 particals as in the tutorial with their own slider but this would just take up to much gui space and also to much time in sound creation.I think an event table would be the best solution but my skill in the deeper side of reaktor is very limited.Does any know off any macros or ensembles in the UL that might make a good starting piont.Cheers glyn

 

I haven't plunged into a study of the modal banks yet so I am of little help, but if all you need is a number, then an event table indexed by snapshot would be easy to make.

 

I am working on it at the moment,i will give it a go and see what happens.cheers glyn

 

This is not based on modal bank:

 

Great one Jedinhopy,is it one of your ensembles.Sounds really good and has given some good ideas.Cheers glyn.

 

I have made that reaktor ensemble.

 

Well done Jedinhopy on your building skills,it would take me forever to get that far.I have given up on trying to recreate Prism and i have brought it from the Native shop.If anybody has any doubts about the Prism instrument,all i can say is that it is the best sounding and i think most versital instrument i now own(and believe me i have a few)Well done to Native instruments on creating such a good synth,but how about creating a basic modal bank synth to be included in the libary for people such as myself who maybe don`t have the instrument building skills that some others have.cheers glyn.

 

Hi glyn,
PRISM is one of the most complex ensembles ever made.
There are two important parts which made it extra ordinary:
1st : there is a partial framework made by Max Zagler. It is a network of eventbusses and several new primary-iterations combined with core cells.
It is not simple to understand thinking in bus processing.

He uses event busses ({e} and {p}), several clocks and loops.
2nd : Stephan Schmidt uses this framework and has build a musical network which means that he combines several iteration processes to modulate the partials. The brilliant idea is that the user doesn't need many panel elements (faders, knobs etc.) to change the sound extremly with a musical result.

I hope that sometimes the ideas of eventbus processing will be part of normal REAKTOR library.

ciao herw

 

Hello Herw,Prism is a complicated ensemble and worth every penny(i can not stop playing it)it must have taken ages to build.As you rightly say,it is amazing how few controls are needed to alter the sound completly.My remarks about a modal based synth being included in the library did`nt mean prism,just a basic one,as the one in the tutorial does`nt do the modal bank any justice in it`s capabilities.Thanks for your remarks and also your ensembles.cheers glyn

 

Agree.
I´ve found Clist´s and you´re Greyhound Eventbusses some time ago. This should be part of Manual.

Maybe this would be more common in UL if there would be a tutorial about that out there.

btw. much Luck with you´re new Modular project herw. Hab im deutschen Forum davon gelesen.

 

Max Zagler's eventbus processing is very impressive and forceful. It is an intermediate stage to a core solution in future REAKTOR version i hope.
It uses primary iteration to simulate a core iteration inside of a core cell.
You can see it in the macro modal engine when rearranging the macros inside:

Yes the new modular uses such processes f.i. loading any snapshot-recall sends more than 4,096 event-blocks (sorted events) each with 13 events along one (!) wire and sends them to a multidisplay macro. REAKTOR 5.5 is great!

ciao herw