my opinion to make the best effects ever!

Hello.

There is one feature I want more than anything and I don't understand why I can only find two companies that use it; Korg and Melda Production.

I want my DJ software to have multiband effects. That means any effect can be applied to any of three frequency bands and the rest of the sound comes out dry. On the Korg Kaoss pad for example you can have a flanger on the highs and mids, but the lows come through untouched and unmuddied. You can have auto panning for only the mid range. Melda Production plug-ins take this to the fullest extent.

This is the kind of control I want so badly. Imagine putting a delay only on the highs or reversing only the mids; stuttering only the low end. Is this kind of effects really too much to ask or am I in the minority for wanting this? I think when people have this kind of control over their audio, they would never want to go back.

The lack of this sole feature has kept me from buying any new DJ software in many years. I am still waiting for someone to make this possible to me.

So basically if Traktor Pro had the following...

3 band autopanning
3 band flanger
3 band phaser
3 band delay
3 band reverb
3 band reverse
3 band gater
3 band beatmasher


I would buy it tomorrow without a second though.

All of this is available already with the Melda Productions plug ins, but that is a cost of over $100 dollars, plus another $100 or so for a program like Deckadance to run them in. I want an all in one solution and Traktor is what I have used for years. I still use the old 3.4 and have only tried demos from other companies, while I wait and hope that my dream feature will come true.

Would anybody else like to have this feature?

 

Wow.. yeah sounds cool but that would be so CPU intensive and would stuggle to run on the same laptop as traktor thats why most good effects processors are seperate stand alone units.... cool as it sounds i can't see NI bringing anymore cpu intensive features to traktor at the moment.

 

I think all traktor would need would be a multiband compressor. Then you could chain the other fx to achieve what you want.

Doesn't traktor have an advanced filter that works in different bands? I can't remember. If so it could already already do what you're asking.

 

I'm pretty sure there is no way to do what I want. I know you can isoloate bands with a filter or eq, but i want to "select" bands to apply an effect to and hear the unaffected bands at the same time.

I was envisioning the selecting of frequency bands being done in the menu, nut having effect knobs and buttons for every band. That would definitely be too much for the GUI.

I don't think it would kill the cpu. I'm using a modest laptop and took Decakdance, and put demo versions of multiband vst effects into it and they ran just fine with no hiccups.

I just don't want to be paying over $200 for those effects and another $100 for the dj program.

An all in one solution is better anyway.

 

There's a production chain for this that you can set up in programs like ableton/logic. It involves filtering and inverting the incoming signal to isolate a particular band for effects. In practice a simple "one knob" low/high pass filter is all the control you really need. Because the split signals are combined together at the output, it's seamless and there are none of the negative characteristics associated with conventional effects application.

It does incur a performance hit, but it's not as much as you might think. My old core duo laptop could def run a couple of these along with a typical dj setup. I would imagine that modern i5/i7 laptops could easily accommodate 4 effects chains (and when would you realistically need all 4?). Also, bear in mind I was using high level functional blocks to create the required signal path, whereas NI would be able to code this more efficiently.

It works especially well with delays; here's an example of me messing around in realtime on the intro of Trentemoller's polar shift:
http://files.me.com/j.argyle/lawsyi.mp3

Effect is probably a psp 24 delay.

For those interested in the technical details there more info and an ableton rack available here:
http://www.abletonlivedj.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=25260&hilit=effects+studio

This would be a killer addition to traktors effects options (which are already very good). Add the ability to host vsts and the creative options would be endless...

J

 

If you have a deck free you can do similar but not fully what you want by duplicate track and kill the freq applied to on the nonfx deck.

not a solution your request would be +1

 

ok messed around with duplicate track adding effects and using kills on opposing mids his lows.
Yeah actually very cool.
in fact it is an easy way to switch from track to track and use repeats and all kids of funk.

Especially using a flanger delay gater or transpose, and messing with the key and main filter. Or adding a peak filter almost acts like vocal isolation. An endles possibilty.

Yes you are correct to have this built in would be night and day difference.
But I am pretty satisfied with the small amount of trying out duplicate track.

All you need to do is pull the track to an empty deck and filter in or pull the volume fader up once the effects are set and it is flawless.

 

Ok the more I think about this.... bump bump bump....
++++++1
This should be in an update. It is night and day for effects.
PLEASE make this happen NI!

 

I agree to this.

don`t kill me, but the behringer ddm-4000 is named often as a "toy"...in some points that is correct.
BUT: the possibilities of this mixer are a monster. there is stuff available, that even pioneer mixers for 6 times the price (!) do not have. and they go in the same direction as suggested here.

examples:

- effects: each effect has three kill buttons. means you can select the effect as you like.
just the bass, just the mids, just the highs...any (!) combination of that, for example set echo to mids and high and not on the bass, set delay to the bass and not to the mids and higs...and so on.

KILLER FEATURE

on top of that you can set the effects in a chain (two effect processors)

- dedicated mic effects that are possible to combine (!) with both two effect processors

- kill buttons at the crossfader (nothing magic, but total usefull)

as they can do it with a 300euro mixer, it should be easy to implement in a software. at the end of the day it is just routing and no additional development energie required.

my wish on top of that: make it possible to select if the effects are post or pre fader

 

2+

 

even just the 3 eq kill switches for effects would be incredible, but i can't imagine it in current effect layout :/

 

sounds like a good idea, just was wondering about something similar a few days ago...either integrated multiband compress....or finally vst hosting in trak3.0?

 

My opinion is that the easiest way to integrate this with the current hardware/software would be to swap the function of the overall wet/dry knob. As you can vary the level of effect by manipulating the freq of the incoming filter, dry/wet control becomes less critical. In terms of the ui,this would also be relatively straightforward to incorporate as an alternative "mode"of operation.

J