New Maschine product ideas! Post your thoughts!

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Jesus Christ.

 

There can be more then one controller just like there are more then one interface. A USB hub will not solve any issues regarding USB connection. Most computers simply do not have enough bandwidth to have all of these things plugged in at once. I think there can be the continuing Maschine option alongside a version with Kore and Audio 6 or something like that integrated. At least 2 IN/2 Out Kores jog wheel and knobs and ability to implement and organize presets from the plugins. For those who don't want to upgrade....simple don't do it if its to expensive continue to use your version. Seriously give it shot on any computer....plug in a USB hub and connect a MIDI keyboard controller, Maschine and KORE alongside a Souncard in the free USB port and let me know how it goes.

 

I use a hub all the time in this way and have no problems with it. I don't think I'm alone either.

The main issue people encounter with hubs is when they don't have a powered hub.


And surely if one device has the functionality of several separate devices, it will still need as much "bandwidth". I think people underestimate USB 2.0. For most intents and purposes, it does just fine.

 

What? LOL
Get a powered USB hub.

 

Because Apple had made making dumb noncustomer based changes an acceptable method of change.
People have to really get away from marketing hype and the belief that just because they ask for or want something it should be.
People don't even believe they should learn the workflow of a product anymore, just tell the vendor how to change it to their liking.

Really need to pay more attention to the real cost of these changes.

 

MASCHINE is a wonderful piece of Hard- and Software and im still learning by doing.
I use it for more than 1 year right now and there still functions im not familliar with.

Theres so much to explore and it takes much more to use these features with my work in the end. VST for example opens a new world i do not want to enter right now cause im still exploring older features.

The only thing that should be implemented soon is a better Traktor - Maschine sync. method. I hope there is a better way than midi sync!


Other thing im missing is kind of multicore support.

 

hans iron I would suggest not looking at Maschine that way.
Unlike many things it's a total workflow understanding and you will better associate things if you take them in as one instead of segmenting the functions.

Yes VST is new but it works like all the other sounds for the most part so it actually gives you the ability to learn VST and Maschine based sounds usage all at the same time.

It can really get you up and running on thing like routing and modulation.

 

+1! I agree fully, you don't have most of the elementary fundamental functions, Improving should start with them

 

nothing on the actual hardware, just concentrate on the software maybe have something to rival logic and ableton

edit +1 on above

 

So some of you guys are saying that you don't want to see an improved Maschine hardware in the future. Okay, got i t

This thread was meant for constructive feedback on how to improve the hardware in the future not retard or halt it's progress. If you are completely satisfied with the current hardware as is that's fine. If you don't have any constructive ideas just ignore the thread.

How about some more good ideas on how you could improve the hardware? Never mind arguing about how soon NI decides to make a new hardware if ever.

 

i really don't know how they could improve the maschine apart from a bigger lcd screen more buttons more knobs....maybe some faders on the device? but that would be pointless unless they improve the software features first.

 

Hardware:
Maschine has: 41 buttons, 16 pads, 11 knobs, 2 small LCDs
MPC 5000 has: 66 buttons, 16 pads, 11 knobs, 4 sliders, 1 data wheel, 1 large LCD
MV 8800 has: 66 buttons, 16 pads, 8 sliders, 7 knobs, 1 data wheel, 1 large LCD

I would like to see Maschine's hardware redesigned to contain the best of these control surfaces in order to have 100% control of every aspect of its software. Personally, I would like a large adjustable LCD like the 5K but can live without it as long as the hardware controls 100% of the software as if I am using an MV-8800 with an external monitor. Maschine's current LCDs are inadequate. Upgrade them or remove them IMHO.

Software:

MIDI:
This is very simple. I don't personally need Maschine to be a DAW. But I would like to have it as the centerpiece of my humble studio like my MPC is. In order for that to be possible, it must contain all the MIDI tools that have been available for the past decades. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Sampling:
Again, no need to reinvent the wheel. When you look at all the DAWs, they seem to have pretty much the same feature set. Regardless of what people say what Maschine is or isn't...the first thought when of anyone who laid eyes on it for the first time was its an MPC-clone. Nothing wrong with that. With that being said, I want NI to capitalize on what makes MPCs (MPC 5000/4000) and MVs (8800) the first choice of sampling drum machines. These products are superior samplers to Maschine. They both have extensive parameters, sampling, and editing functions. If NI doesn't want to incorporate software improvements that are similar to these products..fine. Then they should go to their own playbook. Battery 3 and Kontakt have all the sampling tools anyone can ask for. Scrap Maschine's sampler and replace it with the Sampler in Battery and/or Kontakt. And even better alternative..in terms if profit...they can do what Propellerhead did with Reason and Record. When those two products are installed on the same system, they become one. I would love to open up Maschine and have Battery 16x16 cell Matrix staring right back at me...every one of Maschine's knobs, buttons, etc perfectly matched to the GUI.

Ok..enough from me. I have written all this before. lol

 

I think universally those who want to see an improved hardware want larger tilt screens. Also a few more dedicated buttons. Some want a built in audio card while others either don't want it or want an option. That seems the biggest consensus from this thread and others that have popped up on the forum.

Then there are those who want optional models like a larger desktop unit we are describing along with a version with keys (with pads). Maybe a Maschine pro, Maschine compakt (current version) and Maschine keyboard workstation. Audio cards could be optional add on cards that screw into the unit or it would be built in for extra money. These would not be bad ideas. It allows it to be customized to the individual. The same is with most pro audio instruments. They have different models and price points to appeal to different requirements. The MPC had the 1k for cheap price and portability and the 4k/5k as the flagship. You see the same with NI's own Traktor. Different hardware and two separate software versions. This does come at a cost though of maintaining slightly different product lines. Even if the software is the same there is a challenge in making new functions fit comfortably on the compact version vs the one that has more buttons etc. Still it can be done.

Then there is customized end caps etc. Should NI get into selling those option too?

 

^ good idea

I like the Maschine Pro idea, I'd like to see it with a larger hinged dual lcd. Data knob a few faders, and more buttons & knobs as mentioned. But also I'd like a pedal jack that can be assigned to hands free punch-ins.

And as an alternative to the pro for folk who want the new features but want to keep the current hardware... Maschine XT extension module.

This can be as wide as one of the current lcds with 4 buttons and knobs, and below instead of pads 4 faders and a data wheel. (and of course my punch in jack at the back).

I don't think it should have and audio interface Or keys however. I think Maschine hardware should be dedicated to only Maschine software functionality.

 

What would be cool would be the ability to use 2 or more Maschine controllers on one instance of Maschine. That way I could have controller 1 turned to my main pattern selection screen for choosing scenes and at the same time have my second Maschine controller turned to my main synth line for tweaking filers etc at the same time.

 

Great ideas. I like the XT extension and a new hardware should definitely include pedal inputs. I think Maschine has to convert midi input to NI proprietary hardware protocol before it is sent to the software. It would be better to bypass that and have its own pedal inputs. It needs expression, sustain, half/damper and foo tswitch. They would not add bulk or more expense and give a direct connection.

For the XT there could be an edit XT with maybe data wheel with jog/audio scrub and nav. arrows and maybe some buttons for the functions on the pads for one touch access. Could also have the extra screen with 4 knobs like you said for less scrolling. Another XT could be the control XT for x-y ribbon or joystick. It would have pitch and mod wheel. It could even have the pedal inputs. Maybe the edit and control XT could be the same unit.

With that in mind, I think there are only certain buttons that are needed on the main unit if they ever make one. The sound, group, master and maybe the module is a must and would free up the left LCD since those just sit there and hog space. I think it needs a mixer button and shift+ mixer would toggle a separate mixer view with meters. I also think undo and quantize 50% should be upfront. If they don't move all the functions off the pads then it needs a dedicated event select button ( I hate toggling sound and event select) Possibly the groove or keyboard button but that's about it. So about 8 or more buttons would do it. These buttons would not even make it much bigger at all. They could shrink the buttons like on the Traktor XT and lace those vertically. 2 inches in width and maybe an inch more in height for the taller screens is all it would take if that.

I think since Maschine is both hardware and software, both deserve to be improved.

 

some great suggestions,

i too would like a pro version, bigger led tilt screens, customisation options, led colour schemes, ..............

the list can go on

 

Automation & sequencer

I am definately for the expansion options idea, so the hardware is modular as well as the software.

But one of the main thing that pisses me off about maschine is the lack of decent automation. like being able to draw lines and curves with points you can move around, like cubase or flstudio, just about any other DAW has.

Also, i find the sequencer abselutaly NASTY. maybe it's just me, coz i haven't seen this mentioned anyware else in this thread.
Maybe it should be like ableton and be switchable from linier to non-linier

I am pretty sure NI will build kore features into maschine at some point, seeing as kore has been discontinued and all. That will be cool.

 

THIS.

There's so many basic things that are standard everywhere else that aren't on the table yet. I'd much rather see a maturation of the basic features..midi routing for instance - than a tilt screen 48 pad 3D touchscreen LCD audio interface usb hub with wifi.

Actually that doesn't sound bad.

But if it can't route midi or stretch a sample really who cares

 

True



A arrangement view like in ableton 8 would be also very helpfull. Then you can switch between the session and the arrangement view, like ableton.