New Preset Format

So forgive my difficulty in following this. Are we thinking that the new updates to Komplete 7 which will make presets available to be browsed on Maschine are going to make those updated instruments unusable in Kore?

I guess I imagined the rest of KOMPLETE 7 updates would work on Kore and Maschine. That means I would have to choose between one or the other? I don't care about KOMPLETE 8 because I won't be updating! I've had it with you NI! You're taking the fun out of very expensive purchases I've made to the point that I don't even feel like using these instruments!

 

Ok.. thank you Kymeia
Massive, Absynth, and FM8 will have additionals sounds in k8. The exkore packs ?
Newer updatable versions of massive (for example) will have additonals sounds too
or only in k8 ?
If they have all kore packs integrated it's render ksd and kore less useful or
not compatible ?

 

@Keir, I think it would be best for you to inform ALL Kore users on these issues in a public way. You're not just going to sweep angry users away from the forums, sorry. I think we should have an official announcement to all registered Kore users, no more vaguery.

 

+1 Chrys
last warned...
We have the right to like maschine but prefer kore and continue to use with NI and others plug-ins with it.

No?

 

@ chrys - it seemed to me that he means he can email members when he posts new info HERE, so we're not forced to check back on a constant scanning through posts to see if he has added new info or not

 

The Reason It's taking so long...

In my opinion,

The reason it's taking so long to make any more announcements about Kore is due to the timing of the release of Komplete 8.

NI knows that the news for Kore users and the New Preset Format is not good, and that the Kore faithful will fill up the internet with bad press right at launch time of K8.

NI wants all of the Kore users out there who don't know Kore has been discontinued to buy K8. And any other unsuspecting fools!

In my opinion, of course.

 

judging from the NI Website, it seems these soundpacks will be included in the Massive update.

sowari

 

This is where the amusement and confusion come in, in equal measure. Kore users have been advised not to update Massive etc, so its not really applicable, and ... depending on how it all pans out, if they did update, they could lose the soundpack that they paid for in Kore, but have it in Massive ... which you could then turn into a kore sound and use it again in kore .... Circles within circles within circles

Thinking more along the lines of changes in workflow. A possible change in workflow would be rather than auditioning sounds from the kore browser, one would audition the sound within massive, within kore - repeat with as many instruments and effects required and then save as a new Kore sound. With the information available at this time, this to me is the worst case scenario change in workflow.

 

Presumably already converted to Maschine format though so less useful to Kore users who don't own the ksd versions.

 

to be honest, i really don't understand why Kore users have been advised not to update. maybe this is because of the batch process :S but if a user backs up their Massive ksds this should not be a problem - well that is how i see it anyway.

so as far as i am concerned, i would presume that an updated Massive could still load kds whether in Standalone Mode or within Kore.

but this needs to be confirmed by an official NI message!

sowari

 

And, taking the worst case scenario as a starting point, if the kore community worked together creating the ksd's for the "new" soundpacks, we would be up and running again in kore within a week or 2 as if nothing had happened.... Just a thought

 

sorry, you have lost me here - what "new" soundpacks are you talking about?

sowari

 

Well the statement could be broadened to apply to any instrument ksd's that disappear during the update process

 

I've just made a complete backup of all KSD's on my system and put them into a separate archive.

I'm on a Mac so can't speak for Windows but from terminal...

cd /
sudo find . -type f -iregex ".*\.ksd" > ~/Desktop/KSDs.txt

You'll be asked for your password

This will make a text file on your desktop with the absolute paths to your KSD's.
Handy if you wanted a full list maybe...

You can then make an archive from this list...
sudo tar -czf ~/Desktop/KoreSounds.tar -I ~/Desktop/KSDs.txt

This creates a tar archive of all of your Koresounds, keeping their paths inside the archive.

It might be totally useless to all of you, was just in case anyone was interested ;-)

 

wow that would be really cool to know how to do that in a Windows 7 x64 environment. it seems like i have .ksd files (automatically installed by NI installers) in a dozen or so places. i am in the process of trying to back up all my .ksd files (w/ custom attributes) so that i can transfer the custom attributes to my XP laptop. file locations are off the hizzee

 

It's already posted by Keir or Thomas, I don't remember, that the updated synths will no longer load koresounds. They can import them. It'll be like GR4 handles GR3 presets, or FM8/7.
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True. making koresounds of presets is so addictive...

 

i think you might be mistaken here - or their post was confusing -... i am positive that updated Synths will load ksds but that they will not save their patches as ksds, unless they are inside Kore.

i really wish NI would hurry up with a proper explanation :angry: because this uncertainty is getting ridiculous

sowari

 

Thanks Clement! I am trying this now...

Takes a little time on the find so just be patient if you try it... I got antsy and then realized it was still searching
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Hi Sowari, I take it you do not have any direct lines into NI like keir and thomas so that you could ask as well? We are all waiting for an explanation on these items, lack of information leads to a lot of hypothesizing... and a lot of speculation that can really take a downward turn. We need official answers...

 

Well, unless you know something we don't ?

From what Keir wrote on the massive forum, its pretty clear its a first run batch convert of ksds so that they can then be loaded in the updated synths. This is a quote of what Keir said ....

"For Massive, FM8 and Absynth 5 optional batch conversion of user sounds is done at first startup. In addition there's a batch conversion function - so the process is easy. This means we won't be supporting .ksd natively any longer. It could be confusing for users if some sounds appeared in Maschine, but others didn't."

I'm thinking of taking up watching paint dry as a new hobby

 

i do send them questions and give my opinions if that is what you mean

sowari