New release - "The Finger" by Tim Exile

Hi Matt,

What i meant by "trigger to hold" is, press the key that triggers the effect, but is there a way for the effect to stay on when you take your finger off the key.

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I am using Ableton with the Kore 2 player, when I press say C1 to trigger that effect, when I take my finger off the keyboard the effect stops layering over the audio, but is there a way for the effect to stay on until I either hit another key or the same key to stop the effect. Like the way Ultrabeat triggers patterns in Logic, don't know if you are familiar with this. Thanks, hope I am making myself clear, but I have a feeling that there maybe limitations with the Kore Player to do this?

 

fcarroll,

I'm sorry the Finger doesn't do that. It plays effects just as polyphonic keyboard would play notes. Like a piano.

(One of the beauties of Reaktor though, is that if you own it, it is possible to modify the ensemble to do what every you can think of, e.g to be monophonic with latching. The guys in the Reaktor forum are very helpful.)

 

Sustain pedal....

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edit..hmm didn't work..ok, but it should be no prob...

 

Thanks Matt, prob guessed that was the case. Got to look at sending it maybe to a loop in ableton, something like Tim E. does. Love the program though. Must get the money together for Reaktor .... sounds awsome!

 

Does this Finger FX have all the FX that the Evolve stuff has in their trigger sections? (or is that evolve 2 stuff not even able to effect anything outside it's own library of loops in kontakt?) and can i edit Finger so that i can make all sorts of rhythmic variations.

 

The Finger has completely unique effects from Evolve, but they are both great for rhythmic effects.

 

i managed to do this with my kenton killamix-controller by assigning the 8 buttons to the fx using the reaktor.ens of 'the finger', BUT you have to release the pressed buttons in an reverse order, otherwise the effect-chain will freeze endlessly

 

ok but can evolve effect something else external from kontakt - like my electric guitar recordings?

also, can you change the effects which are mapped to keys to sound different? sorry about the questions but i need to know for sure.

 

Is there anyway in the future this would be compatible with AUTOMAP pro and 25sl mk2 novation controller?

I think that would be an amazing combination. I purchased "the finger" thinking this was possible.. but unfortunately it is not yet


-edit I think the reason is Im using 64 bit windows 7... Oh well I guess I need to return the finger

 

Evolve Mutations is a set of sampler instruments coming with a huge library of sounds, however they are complete instruments and cannot be used to process external sounds.

The Finger can map different effects to different keys using Reaktor but you cannot simply from Kore. However there are about 45 presets each with at least 4 octaves of effects. That's 45 * 12 * 4 = 2160 effects mapped from Kore.

 

I just spoke to our QA department today and Automap is compatible and working with Kore/Player. I am not sure if this is an issue with the siftware in combination with the operating system you are using. Sorry it isn't working for you, try calling our support.

 

Finger as master FX in LIVE

I am not able to use the Finger as a master FX in LIVE as I would like.

The best I could do, is to put Finger into one of the 'Returns' (route audio in) and assign midi notes and controllers from Finger to buttons on BCR 2000.

It is not smooth and if I push on 2 (notes) buttons at the same time, it 'locks' on that FX, and I can't get rid of it, unless I turn the R5's CPU off/on...

I have no problem running it inside of Reaktor, with keyboards...
Problem is Returns have no Record, so I can't activate midi in
Anyone figured out something better?

cheers TIA

 

1.Put Reaktor w/The Finger on it's own audio channel.
2. Set Monitor on the Finger Audio Track to IN
3. Route your audio to the Finger Audio Track.
4. Add a MIDI track
5. Set Finger MIDI Track Output to the Finger Track, and Select Finger as destination
6. Set Finger MIDI Track monitor to IN.
7. Make sure no MIDI tracks are set to RECORD -- otherwise notes you intend for the Finger will get recorded on those channels as well.

So now you can play The Finger live. If you want to record notes for the Finger, set the Finger MIDI channel to record, switch it's monitor to Auto, and record the way you would any midi track.

The Finger doesn't really work as well as a Return effect, though the same procedure applies. You can send a track's MIDI to a device on a return track no problem -- the only difference between return tracks and audio tracks is you can't put clips on them and don't have MIDI IN or Monitor options for them.

Is that clear?

Here's an example:

Mod edit: Do not include the ensemble. That's a violation of the EULA. This is your first and last warning.

I made the example with Ableton Live 8.2 and Reaktor 5.5 -- you may not be able to open it if you aren't up to date.

 

WOW, thanx a lot, I will give it a try ASAP...

 

Thanx a lot chaircrusher, (made my day )
works really good, exactly what I was looking for, my solution wasn't good at all...

Interesting how you can record the Finger notes on the midi track and 'activate' them by switching monitor from auto to on to have them effect a loop, monitor to on, play keys
Unfortunately your example didn't load, I have only live 7.
All best K.

 

I'm running into a problem with what feels like stuck notes (FX that don't turn off even after the note off is sent). I am primarily using the Wavetable< effect. Does this effect have to be followed by another in order to stop the loop?

Has anyone else seen this? I'm using Ableton 8.2 as my host.

 

Adam,

I'm sorry to hear that. None of the effects need any special treatment. If the issue's reproducible, could you please post the Live set with MIDI that causes it (preferably with no samples or other plugins).

I'll look into it.

Matt

 

Matt,

Here is a set that I have that demonstrates the issue. I have two different FX sequences that are triggering The Finger on an audio channel. Both sequences go on long after the final note off. Can you take a look and let me know if there is a param I am missing that makes the effect have a release tail or something. Not too sure what is happening, but I have a funny feeling it's something I'm overlooking.

Thanks.

BTW: I am running OS X.

 

Ok, so I switched over to using The Finger inside of Kore, and it is working. Why is it that when I run The Finger directly in Reaktor, that I get this problem?

 

Adam,

The fix is simple. You have the global Release (last knob on the left, bottom row) turned up very high. If you turn it down (to the left) the effect will fade out faster. This is automate-able too. Don't forget that the best part of the finger is layering which is more natural with a release