[NEWBIE] Long sample with Kontakt

Hi everybody,

I'm starting to make my very first patch in K4.
I've no experience whatsoever in making them (so please have a little patience on me).
I've recorded my concertina (similar to an accordion) into two files: a first one with the left hand notes and the second one with the right hand notes.
I play in the files one note after each other with just a little silence between one note and the other.
Now, how can I assign a single key a single note of the samples? I'd prefer not to cut the file into many different single notes.
Is there an intelligent way to map them without hassle? :S

Many thanks for the kind responses.

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Riccardo Santato

 

It's much MUCH better if you cut the single notes to single samples. After all, that's how it's been done for decades already.

 

okay what you have to do is slice and map. If you load your wav(with your notes in a wav file spaced by a second) kontakt can slice the samples and then you can map them easily to your keyboard. Load your wav go to the wave editor tab to see your wav now turn on grid mode. You should see blue lines this then would be known as slices. Play with the fix/auto functions in grid mode to see what works better with what you want to slice(you can also delete the slices/blue lines by right clicking) but as I said your going to have to play with the settings in grid mode to learn and see how things work. When you have all your slices ready to map to a key hold shift(on PC) to click and select all your slices, when your selecting your slices you should see a shaded blue across your slice marks. You can also hold ctrl and manually click slices to select. As you have your slices selected have both the mapping editor and wave editor window open and you should be able to drag and drop you slices onto your keys. I made a video about this but took it down because of too many mistakes

 

Still if it's a one hour long file, slicing that doesn't make a lot of sense. It's much better to chop it to individual samples, mainly because it's not a loop, but it's supposed to be a playable instrument.

 

From what I read from threads here I can now humbly say that you(EvilDragon) have more knowledge then me when it comes to using kontakt(more on the scripting side of things) but the comment I just quoted from you just doesn't make any sense?

Who would record a wave file for about an hour recording notes? I can't even picture for 25 minutes let alone an hour. NO DISS/FLAME/INSULT INTENDED I'm just saying that wouldn't really be a scenario I could picture.

+ The OP didn't mention anything about how long the file is so what you mentioned was irrelevant.

@sanric

If you follow my steps you should be alright.

 

I made many patches by using larger files and then truncating those into smaller segments inside Kontakt. Just copy over the zone and assign new start and end points, if needed use the zone envelopes for smooth fade outs of each zone. It does involve some work but it works perfectly. Later you can even assign each zone to it's own dedicated group. So the large sample stays intact but you can end up having dozens of single playble zones.

 

Well, if you have a sampling session that costs a lot (for example, sampling a guitar player or orchestra or whatever, in a pro studio which costs $$$), those tracks can be a couple of hours long. I know because I did some work on such tracks, and yes it needs to be cut into individual samples for the reasons I stated above.

OP didn't mention how long the tracks were, but the track length is irrelevant here. What's relevant is that IT'S NOT LOOPS. Loops are intended to be sliced. But instruments sampled in several velocity layers and round robins are NOT intended to be sliced, in general. Why? Organization. It is much, much easier to organize the individual samples in folders according to their velocity layer and round robin index. It's how it's done, it's how it has always been done for decades already.

So basically, my comment stems from two statements that OP made:

1. he sampled an instrument, and not loops
2. he has two big files which he wouldn't want to cut into smaller ones.

Well I completely disagree with point 2. He needs to cut the big files to smaller ones because of much better organization, and easier mapping as well (if you name samples appropriately, Kontakt's automapping will do the job MUCH faster than if you went in and set slice markers for each sample. That's a hellish gig!). Not to mention that the silence between the notes is space-consuming and has no real purpose being there.

I definitely know what I'm talking about, and I assure you that I'm saving a lot of OP's nerves with my suggestion.

 

NO.... NO..... NO....... (Shaking my damn head) This information/advice is bad. @sampleconstruct you should have a look at my first comment in this thread it will also help you. What you just said hurts instead of help the situation. Why because first of all copying and pasting would tremendously eat the living **** of your ram. Think about it why would you copy a 10 minute wave file 10 times. Then assigning new start and end points is actually more work. The right thing to do is slice that way you don't eat as much ram(because your using the same sample) Like I said I think you should have a look at my comment above explaining how to do this.

@sanric Don't listen to @sampleconstruct

Follow my example.

I'm going to do another tutorial about this

 

You are quite a troll dude...

 

Yeah he's a complete troll. I hate his bolding and coloring, it's like he can't type normally. :/


musicman7, for your information, sampleconstruct knows a LOT MORE on this than you and me combined (he's Simon Stockhousen, for crying out loud!). However I do think that cutting to individual samples is still the way to go.

 

I never said you don't know what you are talking about in fact I praised you a while ago saying "you have more knowledge in using kontakt then me" did you not read that?




but EvilDragon you are still wrong because you didn't contribute the right way. In fact you told the OP exactly what he didn't want to do and that.s what makes you wrong. The OP clearly said that he did not want to cut the file into single notes which is exactly what you told him to do I notice in commenting with you........ Well I guess with you its a ego thing...... but in this case its not about putting you down its about whos right and whos wrong. Your information is wrong and not helpful
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about the bolding I couldn't care less. I don't care if you like it or not. The moderators/administrators put it in this forum so I have the choice to use it. If they didn't like it they would take it out but obviously its here for a reason so if you don't like it then you have a problem

 

This is not about ego or anything. It's about saving nerves to the guy. It doesn't make me any less wrong recommending a BETTER way to work with instrumental samples. I stated my points why I recommend him to do it by cutting to individual sample. I have nothing more to say, and if you can't see it, your problem.

 

Okay put it this way. Your information is irrelevant and doesn't relate to the topic. My information is straight to the point in telling the OP exactly how to do what he wants. Your information is telling the OP what you want him to do. My information is telling the OP what the OP wants to do.

 

I don't WANT him to do it how I suggested. I just put an advice that it would be better to do it that way. In the end it's his choice.

 

Something that hasn't been mentioned which I think is very important to note is that if the instrument is contructed from one (or many) long samples, the entire instrument will have to be loaded into memory. If cut into appropriate notes it can use the dfd features

Cheers

 

Okay EvilDragon I think you have a problem admitting when your wrong. Your advice is not a better way to do it because it is the complete opposite of what the OP wanted to do. Do you not understand that your advice is wrong. The OP clearly says

which is exactly what you(EvilDragon) told him to do. What part of your advice wasn't helpful do you not understand. You make it sound like you gave an alternative which you did not do.

Ohh God here comes another one. The OP clearly said that he did not want to cut the notes. Did you not read that?

 

As a newbie the OP posted from a position of knowing little about Kontakt. What people have been trying to do is provide helpful advice so that the OP can make informed choices, me included. It seems you are the one that has a problem with that.

 

You obviously don't undestand that we're dealing with a newbie here, and we're a lot more in the business and know how things are done NORMALLY. But ok, if OP wants to go crazy after a while, sure, may he follow your advice. You seem to miss the point of my suggestion completely. I have VERY good reasons for suggesting the exact opposite of what OP wants to do, and I have explained myself WHY he should do it EXACTLY like that. Now leave it at that, please.

Oh and one more thing. My advice is not wrong. Now explain to yourself HOW CAN THAT BE TRUE, and you might see what I'm getting at.

 

Musicman: shhhhhhh - silence - calm down . shhhhhhh

 

LOL! man you are way too funny, so your excuse is that the OP is a newbie? Really? are you serious? You can't be? Anyone who reads this thread would automatically know your ignorant. Once again you say you "have VERY good reasons for suggesting the exact opposite" of what the OP wanted to do. which again proves that your comment was irrelevant in the fact that you didn't help and actually made the situation worst by telling the OP what you(EvilDragon) wanted the OP to hear. You could have 30 reasons why you think its better to cut the notes into samples but this is irrelevant. The OP asked how to map notes to a key WITHOUT MANUALLY CUTTING EACH NOTE. My comment answered the OP's question and gave a clear, true and direct answer on how to do what he wants exactly. Your comment did not tell the OP how to do exactly what the OP wants. Do you get it now. I answered the question you didn't. I gave the correct answer you didn't. I told the OP how to do exactly what he asked you didn't. This makes you wrong because you did not answer the question