NI Promotion Video - Double Triggering Problem

I posted in the technical area about a double triggering issue I was having. I got no replies so assumed it was just my faulty maschine. But ... I discovered an NI promotion video where the exact same thing is happening.

Skip to 1.47 and at about 1.52 you'll hear the kick drum double triggering. He's only hitting the kick once, but you can hear that machine gun effect. It's happening quite a lot. This is exactly what's happening to me and I'm using mine for finger drumming.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEtIHVGVkJ4[/ame]

Is it safe to assume this behaviour is normal? I've not heard anyone mention this problem, but it's clearly happening in an NI promo video.

 

Dude, it just looks like he hitting the pad twice, quickly. He's flicking his middle finger and forefinger in rapid succession to create a quick "roll" effect.

 

Nah he's not. In parts of the video he's creating rolls, this isn't a roll. He's pressing once, I've even watched it in slow motion just to be sure. It's like a chorus effect. He'd have to be hitting it so fast that the camera wouldn't even catch it if he was purposely doing that. It's a pad issue, probably only on the MK1's. I also seen it happen with Jeremy Ellis before too.

I'm not talking about drum rolls or anything like that. If you watch and listen closely at 1.52 you'll hear it. And it happens a few times after that. Watch my video, it does the same thing ...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrb0LQ9saiU[/ame]

 

I see what you're saying. I have Mk II, and haven't experienced it. Obviously it's not something with your repeat setting, right? I'm sure you've already checked all that a million times.

 

My MKii does this at times. Hard to say whether it's user error in my case.

Though I would say sometimes it is, and other times it's not.

 

I just got my Mikro and it does the same thing. It's not really an issue unless you're using fixed velocity as the second hit is usually super soft . It also becomes a problem if the second shot chokes the first. I can actually, intentionally do these multiple triggers but I can't seem to avoid it entirely when I'm drumming normally. I'm just wondering if I have a faulty piece.

 

Same issue here. Maybe it is a mikro-only problem?

 

Im not saying you dont have faulty units but when i first got my mk1 (ages ago) I had the same thing & posted about it, its the technique, try hitting the pad and getting your finger off it just as fast, it shouldn't do it then.

If it still does it then maybe the maschine needs changing, good luck

 

Never noticed this before and it is not an issue imo. Just strike the pad like you are supposed to and don't rub it. It happens due to the skipping friction when you gently rub and your finger makes multiple contacts with the pad as it bounces or skips. You can feel the skipping blrrrp when you rub. Actually this is a nice way to do rolls. You can turn your sensitivity down to like 50 to decrease the likelihood of it happening if it bothers you but really you should be striking the pads and not rubbing it.

Keep in mind if you are coming from a mk1 that the mk2 pads are more sensitive.

 

I think it's pretty awesome that it does this. I love the bounce of the pads when I'm playing them. It's really useful for some finger drumming techniques. You just have to learn how to hit the pad to where it does or doesn't bounce. It's hard to explain but you kind of have to hit the pad with your finger stiff to keep it from bouncing and loose to make it bounce. You could try turning down the sensitivity.

 

I completely agree that it's a practice thing. I only posted to make sure I'm not the only one who has this happening. Now that I know that I know this isn't faulty hardware I can focus on improving my skill. And yes, I can actually do up to 5 consecutive strokes at will, so it is definitely a useful technique. I just have to practice how to avoid these doubles when I'm drumming normally.

 

Looks like it isn't a problem, just a technique thing.

 

I made a new video that demonstrates the issue better. Could you guys confirm that you are facing this same behaviour.

 

yes, exact same behavior. And i must say, i am convinced this is about practice (i didn't touch machine for 1 mounth for some reason, and now this behavior doubled

Using non fixed velocity and lowering sensitivy a bit helps.

 

I've had the same issue with the Studio at the beginning since the pads are way more sensitive and stiff than the MK1's which is what I was used to. I find that hitting the pad and not letting your fingers rest on it after the hit is the trick.

I had the same issue when the MK1 first came out coming from a trigger finger. It was like night and day. The Maschine's pads are way more sensitive, even on the MK1 and the software really isn't as forgiving as some other controllers it picks up everything. I used to get drum hits by holding the pad and tapping the side of the controller which I do some time as I'm laying down back beats. The only way to avoid this was to turn down the sensitivity but on the MK2 I find that the pads are more sensitive regardless of what my setting are.

 

Spot on. Like any other instrument you gotta practice. I'm getting better and a lot fewer doubles. Honestly I'll take these incredibly sensitive pads and deal with the few stray doubles than have pads that aren't this responsive. Being a percussionist, this is the first time I feel like I can truly play expressively on a MIDI device. I laid down drums for a track today and it was just like performing live. No looping parts, I played through the entire song and tighten things up by going in a fixing minor issues. In no time, I had great drums, that sounded like they were played live. Can't ask for much more.

 

I have to agree with all who replied its a technique issue. its a sensitive pad controller. you need to strike it like a sensitive pad controller. I remember back in the day when I first got an MPC the first time I tried to drum I had this "issue" as you gain skill you learn to use it as a technique allowing you to do flams

 

I'm facing this issue right now...coming from a piano background, I tend to hit the pads with curved fingers...but noticed Jeremy plays them with straight...I'm wondering if that could have something to do with it. Probably just an adjustment period in terms of technique as you say...I'll do a quick search to see if there's any videos on proper finger technique...

 

just make sure you have set up your content filtering before you search for videos on proper finger technique Its all about moving fast

 

Thanks for the tip and the fast reply!