NI Survey ... waste of time

the questions have been the same for as long as I have got them man... that's why the tell us your feedback section is there... seriously use it man, write down everything thats on your mind. I did so and im sure many others have...
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sorry what?

you again making wild silly accusations ....

I mean you tried to tell me in the expansion thread that that wasn't techno based...

It's people like you on forums that are the problem...
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if thats also wrong. why were the threads closed?

why have many others been closed that have been going quite well?

and No i havnt been on here since 2002, I sort of have better things to do like making music than sitting on a forum all day

 

Yeah, I deleted that. I can't be bothered with the tedious direction this thread is about to head off in.

 

so people are kicking off now because NI brought out the sample decks add on to Traktor in the recent version but did not release the full power of the decks before the F1 controller - how is this bad? Are people expecting for NI to just make older controllers magically have the ability to open up new functions in software developments?

The F1 costs money as a separate controller, I get that but so what.......you are being given the option to upgrade your setup or not....you can use other controllers to tap into the software but rightly so NI have kept certain parts only for F1 access. The update was free, the controller costs money - how do you think they pay people to develop these things?

and yeah maschine integration with traktor has got to be cool, some will want it and some won't.
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it wasn't

 

everything you buy in life is an option stop trying to refer to that point...

 

glad you noticed my service period - damn has it been that long, man i need to get a drink.

and so do I - it's just that the forum is a great place to talk and help and be helped by people in the evenings and also a damn good source of entertainment for me while i work in the day.

 

please take some time out of your maschine bashing to head over to retronyms and akai and ask them to fix that crap they call the impc…..
-you have my thanks.

 

In my short time as a Maschine owner I've had two operating system updates, a free copy of Massive, LE versions of NI software, a coupon to redeem (got Platinum Bounce), a Black Friday half-price offer (Got Traktor and Drop Squad), a free 1.4Gb remix pack download and I've just grabbed the Electric Vice expansion.

I now have at my disposal a fine piece of cool and reliable hardware, more sounds, loops, samples, breaks and FX than most people could use in a lifetime ... what's not to like?

Okay, I'm a lucky newbie, but I can only speak as I find.

 

lol


I headed over to the mpc forums to see what they were saying about the impc...it looks like theyve already got their hands full...even read people shelving the ren until the software was fixed...so dont hold out for any impc improvements


shame, it looks and plays great

 

How do they pay people to develop these things? Oh I don't know, maybe the $600 price tag that comes along with Maschine? I mean, all the money gets funneled into the same R&D regardless of what product we're buying. Just as a Maschine owner, I'd expect that my expensive hardware (which sends an HID signal) would work with remix decks that require an HID signal. I could care less that they're trying to peddle a new product. NI's marketing machine all along has tried to tout the integration of Traktor and Maschine and it's still such a half baked hack. There's no doubt after playing with both programs extensively that a tighter integration would be a net gain for users of both apps. Admittedly, I bought Maschine largely because I thought it would have remix deck control. I purchased it long before the whole DJTT article came out and created such a stir, and I also bought it because I wanted a controller with pressure sensitive pads for production (both in Maschine and in other DAWs). I was largely turned on by the fact that the controller seemed like it would be great at pulling double duty for both of those tasks. It's since been rendered useless for remix decks (but thanks to Jiggs and his Masch R app I have a hacked together solution that certainly works, but is not perfect).

I've already decided to not purchase any more NI gear until this is fixed (there are other reasons too, like being required to upgrade TP2 to TSP2 even if you have a certified mixer just to get a timecode signal). It's one thing if you're trying to sell new hardware, but you should at least provide support for people who have been supporting your company all along. Clearly the technology to control remix decks from Maschine is there (Shiftee's video showed just that). The decision to keep it locked solely to the F1 and not provide support for your own controllers is questionable.

 

it would have been nice after the survay you gave us a something free like a xmas themed download for kontakt something that had sleigh bells or other xmassy sounds

 

To my knowledge Maschine was released long before the remix decks no? So you bought maschine when exactly? recently i presume. Well if you bought a piece of kit because you "thought it would have remix control" then i feel sorry for you and your lack of ability to read into product spec sheets and what you are to gain from them, i mean come on are you really complaining about your own decisions and blaming a company for having a specific and new product line to be the master controller for a free software upgrade that will make the whole Traktor thing much better for live performance?

I am looking at integrating Traktor with maschine and my 1200's, did i just jump into purchase mode and then magically start expecting **** to work? no i have bothered to spend a couple of days reading, researching and asking questions where it matters so that my decisions were informed and i dont end up feeling like a dick who just jumped in and didnt get what he thought he was going to get.

DOES IT SAY ANYWHERE IN MASCHINE MARKETING IT CAN DO WHAT IT DOESN'T? No doubt in the future it may integrate tighter but it's got it's own function in life and was not designed to be a Traktor supplement, if it becomes tighter then great but it's primary function was a pattern based sequencer with Midi control - which it does.

The problem here is not with NI.

 

Wouldn't it have been more direct and honest to simply say you had technical issues with the survey than to throw a tantrum and bash the company? Are you angry about the survey or something else? Separate those issues out so you can be heard - otherwise you just sound rather silly and negative. I had no issues with the survey at all, even on an out of date firefox browser. Sorry you had trouble and decided to blow a gasket over the survey..

Most of the companies I do business with are not kind enough to ask me about how they are doing. NI also most assuredly uses the data from the comments text box - so there is your chance to make feature requests, etc. directly to them.
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I for one am thankful the mods help keep this place ON TOPIC and under control as much as they can. They are actually very lenient compared to some forum mods and in NO WAY part of the problem here. Some of the posters here simply want to be childish and monopolize our community with their attitudes. I think you are being unreasonable and thinking what you want to think instead of being objective. These are pretty decent mods - and have you ever done it? Its time consuming and thankless, especially in a place as diverse as this forum where you have all ages and musical styles represented.
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A human interface device signal? Maschine uses custom firmware and drivers. Not everything USB is compatible just because its USB. I suggest learning how things actually work before making assumptions and then getting mad at NI because reality does not meet your assumptions.

I think NI has always been fairly clear in their marketing. They put out the manual for free, they have videos on features, etc. They are also widespread, so you can almost always go to a local store around the world and TRY BEFORE YOU BUY instead of speculating on what you think a product does before you buy it. I for one buy things for what they are, not what I think they are, or what they will be. It seems silly that so many customers are always here complaining about the limitiations of Maschine. Then why did you buy it? Can some of you ever be happy? Quite a few people around here cannot seem to take any personal responsibility for learning anything true for themselves, or for politely stating their case when they have legitimate gripes. Kind of annoying.

 

I've had Maschine since early 2012. I think it's safe to say I wasn't the only person duped by the misleading information in their marketing campaign. DJTT spent who knows how much R&D to develop the MIDI Fighter 3D thinking it was a perfect companion for remix decks. Then remember the outrage when they realized it wasn't going to work? I guess they must have not done their research either. Then magically they "hacked" together a solution a week after the update was released to the public?

I was under the impression that Maschine hardware and the F1 both use the same "protocol" or whatever you want to call it to communicate with Traktor at a "resolution higher than MIDI". If my assumption that their proprietary technology is different between the two devices, then that's my bad... but I'm guessing it's the same. Why am I guessing that? Because the Shiftee video they released this week clearly shows him using an mk2 to trigger samples in the remix decks. No surprise that the mk2 is another new piece of hardware with the same fancy colored LEDs that the F1 has. You want to bet they're going to be touting the Maschine Mk2 as a dual threat (Maschine and Traktor remix deck control) in the coming months?

I'm not trying to come off like I'm attacking anybody. I research my purchases very thoroughly, particularly one with such a hefty price tag like Maschine. I purchased Maschine primarily as a pattern sequencer as you mentioned. My hope was that there would be remix deck integration as well. I didn't think that was too far fetched of a presumption to make on my part considering it's the same hardware and software manufacturer and they'd probably want to market the devices as being compatible with one another. There was also not really a lot of information regarding the decks available at that time. You can look at the layout of the remix decks in the informational graphics and see that there are 16 slots, and 16 pads on Maschine. One could logically deduce that NI would want to have them work in conjunction with one another.

It's not like Microsoft makes a keyboard and a mouse and says they can't be used on the same system because one is meant only for pointing a cursor and clicking and the other for typing words.

To be honest I don't even think I would utilize the remix decks that much as it's just not my type of mixing style. It's just more frustration of how a company with such a thriving fan base continuously silo's off its products and forces the community into finding workarounds or hacks when there is probably an easier solution available. It seems like a no brainer to anyone involved that Maschine/Traktor integration would be a great selling point yet it seems like it's pulling teeth making anything happen.

Sorry if I've offended you, I'm just trying to provide some constructive feedback to the company. This thread was regarding their annual survey after all.

 

Shiftee's maschine template has sample deck and cue triggers, not a full remix deck. He explains the template he made in a dubspot video, long before remix decks were integrated.

 

and here's what I posted:

Angry? Throw a tantrum? Bash the company? Blow a gasket? Where exactly does this happen? Perhaps you need some glasses or maybe a sense of humour. As it happens I was using the latest version of a very popular browser.
Yes, it was due to a technical issue ... that could have been easily spotted before publishing the page (not drawing any analogies of course) ... oh damn, there I go bashing NI again. Sorry everybody.

 

I'm actually going to talk about how I LIKE Maschine and NI. Yes, there are a lot of improvements that I would like to see. Yet, NI still has the best sounds and the highest quality equipment for the price. Also, since I purchased Maschine, I have been offered several discounts on their products and also received free Maschine expansions via twitter. I don't know about you guys, but I don't see Ableton doing things like this. You think the Push is going to as intuitive as Maschine?

 

glad its not just me that uses simple sense.
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you didn't offend me sorry if i came over that way...the problem i think you are encountering is based on the assumptions being made, it sounds like you made choices on products without being fully informed on what they achieve - - you are not alone.

but for me i honestly dont think NI mislead anybody with marketing.

 

The design of the F1 is so obviously influenced by Maschine that it seems to me to be simpler to have its functionality available to Maschine users than not....? That would be simple sense, not making Maschine Traktor users by yet another piece of kit to use up another port, and take up more space...
There has been a lot of talk that Ni is streamlining and integrating it's main hubs (Traktor, Maschine, Komplete), so it doesn't seem to me to make sense for them to not let Maschine mkII play nice with Traktor remix decks...

 

Its all about the money

 

Next up N.I. DAW?
New MIDI Controllers which are based of Maschine/Kore type integration , new products?

K6?