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No more Updates from 2.6.0 for OS 10.6 Users?

Discussion in 'TRAKTOR PRO / TRAKTOR SCRATCH PRO' started by Tohm2, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. Tohm2

    Tohm2 NI Product Owner

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    WTF

    I payed for this software and are excluded from future features and updates due to my running system?
    You know the golden rule.. Never change a running system..
    So, only because of traktor updates I'm forced to drop that rule?

    NEVER EVER!

    I'd rather drop Traktor.

    Still hoping for some intelligence @ NI

    Best
     
  2. mastermc

    mastermc NI Product Owner

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    well with windows users, xp and vista are no longer supported.
     
  3. lethal_pizzle

    lethal_pizzle NI Product Owner

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    Or Windows 98
     
  4. willisnz

    willisnz NI Product Owner

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    10.6 did come out in 2009.

    If you have 10.6.8 it is only $20 USD to upgrade to 10.8?
     
  5. Karlos Santos

    Karlos Santos Rocket Man

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    Apple consider 10.6 to be a legacy OS and so do some manufacturers.

    There is no reason not to update. I have no issues on 10.8, I'm gigging 5 nights a week.

    NI cannot be expected to stay in the past just cus you choose to. I am not trying to sound harsh, but that's what you are asking.

    Yes you "paid for this software" so use that software or update your OS and use, the FREE update for your software.

    Your choice.

    Karlos
     
  6. mcgrory73

    mcgrory73 Forum Member

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    Hi, I'm trying to install Traktor on my Atari ST, but I don't think the latest update will work.

    WTF NI? I've paid for it and everything!
     
  7. mastermc

    mastermc NI Product Owner

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    I have a friend that has a mac book pro 2008 and says 10.7 is not supported by his cpu and won't allow him to install the new os.
     
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  8. mcgrory73

    mcgrory73 Forum Member

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    I have a friend who is also in this position.
    However, he still has all the functionality of the version of Traktor he purchased.

    His computer is 5 years old. You can't expect any software developer to limit themselves forever, especially in an age when technology becomes outdated within a few months.
     
  9. mastermc

    mastermc NI Product Owner

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    ok not to start any discussion on mac versus pc but I know alot of people that prefer mac and are always trying to convince me to buy a mac but i always refuse and now i know i am right not to spend 1200 dollars if my computer will be out dated in 5 years. I rather spend 400 dollars on a laptop than 1200 on a mac, and i really don't care about the quality difference, a laptop can do the job. Seriously it's unfair for apple to charge that much on something that will last no longer than a pc
     
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  10. mcgrory73

    mcgrory73 Forum Member

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    I have a PC too, but even they have similar problems. Traktor is no longer supported on Vista or XP. I'm sure there are PCs circa 2007/2008 that cannot have Windows 7 installed on them and run properly.

    I guess the extra money on a mac buys you the brand, but also the famed added reliability, hence them being the computer brand of choice of anyone that uses intensive software, whether for music, photography or video. In anybody's book, whether we like it or not, five years is now a long time when it comes to modern day consumer technologies.
     
  11. Karlos Santos

    Karlos Santos Rocket Man

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    But that's Apples fault, clearly.

    It also makes the case for NI developing software that will be compatible with Apples current OS and devices.

    Same thing happened with Tiger and the move from PPC to Intel chips.

    Karlos
     
  12. Ghost_On_Da_Maschine

    Ghost_On_Da_Maschine NI Product Owner

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    This was the very reason I went to using Windows 7 and PCs.
    Over the years Apple has made many of my computers instantly obsolete. :(

    If you don't have to upgrade any part of your system you San just keep using what works but if you have to update anything the house of cards comes tumbling down.

    Since they control the hardware and software they have much more control over this.
    At least on the PC side of things you can at least try a new OS on your older computer to see if it can deal with it.

    Apple even got me when I tried to use my decommissioned PowerBook as a Internet only computer.
    It wouldn't support newer versions of the browser that most sites required.
     
  13. jacobite

    jacobite New Member

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    I'm having the same problem here, had a laptop crash so i had to reformat the thing yesterday, i then installed my original tsp 1 from disc then thought i'd be able to update to 2.5.1 using my serial number i bought when tsp2 first launched. Turns out i can't get 2.5.1 anywhere in my order history/downloads etc.. the only option i'm being offered is 2.6.1 & i'm still running vista on it so it's a no go, i only ever use this laptop for dj'ing on the move but now it seems i'm stuck on 1.2.7 is 2.5.1 available for download anywhere ?
     
  14. nexus01

    nexus01 NI Product Owner

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    Its very simple, if you have a mac or pc that cannot run OSX 10.7..10.8 or a pc that can't run Win7 or 8 and you don't want to change the computer (X reasons) what you can do is to purchase a SSD and a RAM upgrade.

    With that only i can tell you that any 5 years old computer can run any OS avialable on the market and cost much much less than a laptop upgrade.

    I have a Late 2008 macbook pro (1st gen unibody) with c2d processor...i upgraded SSD + 8GB ram and installed 10.8.4, so i can say that my computer matches performance and runs even more smoothly than any 2013 non-ssd apple laptop (except of course in hard duties like video conversion or such)...your choise guys, life goes on...
     
  15. Ghost_On_Da_Maschine

    Ghost_On_Da_Maschine NI Product Owner

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    How would this allow you to install an OS that won't install on a particular unit that Apple prevents or help a slow bottleneck PC run a new operating system?

    Doesn't seem like a solution to either of the problems we were referring to.
     
  16. Karlos Santos

    Karlos Santos Rocket Man

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    It isn't that the machine isn't powerful enough. The issue is that Apple prevents Macs of a certain age and series from being upgrade above 10.6
    Similar to locking the iPad 1 to iOS5 (i think).

    Karlos
     
  17. Karlos Santos

    Karlos Santos Rocket Man

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    Contact Registration Support. They maybe able to help with 2.5.1

    Karlos
     
  18. ServeSwaggerSurf

    ServeSwaggerSurf Forum Member

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    "It isn't that the machine isn't powerful enough. The issue is that Apple prevents Macs of a certain age and series from being upgrade above 10.6 "

    Exactly this.

    People in this thread are acting like all of us have a choice to upgrade. Many of us are not able to (even if we wanted to) because the firmware CANNOT update to 10.8
     
  19. mastermc

    mastermc NI Product Owner

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    this is a good reason why I don't listen to people when they tell me to buy a mac. I don't trust apple. No Offence to people who like or use mac or have mac. I think apple is exploiting people. Look at how bad their itunes software is, it can'e even read some basic id3 tags.
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    Lap tops of about 400 dollars can last 5 years also and can do most tasks like a mac.
     
  20. nexus01

    nexus01 NI Product Owner

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    As far as i know and Apple specifies, any Intel based Apple computer can load up OSX 10.6, 10.7 and above:

    http://support.apple.com/kb/SP629

    My point and comment was based on the fact that 5 year old computers, like mine (late 2008), which nowadays are considered very old in many ways, with a simple upgrade of a SSD and RAM, can run very well any of the new OSX required for many new apps like Traktor or many others...

    Personally i think that any non-Intel based Apple computer (and/or any +5 year old computer) should NOT be used to run Traktor or many of the most professional audio or video programs, and its not about money or elitism, is about capabilities, security, safety, practicality and mostly liability.

    In other hand Apple was pretty fair to allow so many very old computers to run the new OSX, even that in some of these you can loose the OS intended user experience:

    http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5444

    The problem with the OSX versions is not related to firmware problem, is only related to the processor capabilities, meaning, only 64bit processors can run the new OSXs.

    People can't pretend that any soft runs on any computer because never was like this and will never be...Nowadays staying in an obsolete OS like 10.6 is purely a personal decision and for that, you can't complain with soft developers or providers.

    With this i go back to my initial statement, which was that the problem referred in this thread (lack of support for OSX 10.6 in Traktor updates) can be solved very simply with a minimal investment for any current OSX 10.6 without needing to purchase a completely new computer.

    Any other discussion about older systems than Intel-based macs or +5year old computers, i believe would not fit this thread problem because its pointless. And for PC users is the same, without even having the processor problem like Apple computers.
     
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