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No support for MacPro 5,1? AVX Compatible processor required...

Discussion in 'MASSIVE + MASSIVE X' started by gnapier, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. sleiweke

    sleiweke New Member

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    I'm disappointed as well. Everything else in the Native Instruments universe works great on my Mac Pro and is fully supported. I hope the powers that be reconsider this decision.
     
  2. topaz

    topaz NI Product Owner

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    "i'm alright jack " in full force. as always :-(
     
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  3. mwhowell

    mwhowell NI Product Owner

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    You must teach for a living. I paid attention but missed it. Humans DO THAT from time to time. So shame on us all cause I know we've all done that. That said, I will be very grateful if N.I. has a change of heart and makes this plugin 1-second slower after 30 minutes by removing this limitation. Thanks.
     
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  4. arachnaut

    arachnaut NI Product Owner

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    It was always clear to me that some of the AVX instructions where needed.
    However from this and the other support forum, a lot were caught by surprise.
    I wonder how hard it would be for NI to put out a additional nonAVX version? Is it just a compile-time option?
    From my limited initial tests, I have not noticed any performance issues at all going through all the presets, so it is my guess that it may work not too poorly even on older machines.
    However, support issues would multiply...
     
  5. Paule

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  6. EvilDragon

    EvilDragon Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't work like that, it's not a simple 30 minutes change.
     
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  7. Big Gnome

    Big Gnome NI Product Owner

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    Psssst--! It's under the "System Requirements" heading, right there on the purchase page, even. That's where you'd normally find system requirements: where it says System Requirements.

    sysreqs.png

    See where it says "Please note: MASSIVE X requires an AVX-compatible CPU to run. MASSIVE X does not currently run in standalone mode."? Again, if you can't be arsed to scroll half a screen down to check whether a product is compatible with your machine before paying, I don't know what to tell you other than caveat emptor. By the way, if you have to spew a bunch of hyperbole along the lines of "reading every detail on the bottom of the 9th page after the obits like a good lawyer should", it really makes you sound like you don't have a valid point.
     
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  8. vaiman

    vaiman NI Product Owner

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    Get real, most musicians check the requirements for AU, VST, AAX 32/64bit. So stop being ridiculous with the arrows and screens.
    NI were quick enough to send out delay emails about this shambles of a release, so sending out an email to their user base stating only AVX requirement 2 years ago would have been a sensible move. Wonder why they didn't...

    Funny how people are now AVX experts these days when 2 years ago nothing was mentioned about it... funny that.
     
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  9. Goon

    Goon NI Product Owner

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    It was stated last year it would require AVX, just because you didn't see it is not everyone else's fault, bar your own.
     
  10. vaiman

    vaiman NI Product Owner

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    Any other NI products require this?
    Any other top synths require this? Let's say, Omnisphere, Avenger, Serum?
    Just because they stated something most people didn't know what the hell it was, isn't an excuse.

    But yeah, it's OUR fault... the users. Top advice!
     
  11. Goon

    Goon NI Product Owner

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    Move forward or get left behind, its your choice.
     
  12. Big Gnome

    Big Gnome NI Product Owner

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    Hey, the guy directly asked where on the buy page it said it required an AVX-compatible processor--I obliged him. I don't know whether or not most musicians bother to check if they can run a piece of software before buying, but if I see something like "needs such-and-such to run", I'm inclined to spend the extra few minutes on Google to find out before I plop down my hard earned. If others don't that's their own failure of the most basic due diligence.
    I don't see anyone claiming anything remotely like expertise on AVX, just that it's been a stated requirement since Massive X was announced and it's been a part of the typical instruction set for a few years since Sandy Bridge. Personally, I hadn't heard of it till last year in connection with MX; so I looked up whether my CPU was compatible. You know, as one does.
    No. Check their system requirements.
    Not to my knowledge, although I've heard The Legend uses it to implement polyphony. Check their system requirements to be sure.
    "I don't know what that means and won't try to find out" is a far worse excuse.
     
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  13. Goon

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    FXpansion Strobe2 & Cypher2 use AVX, so it will become more prevalent. Also a lot of Voxengo stuff will use AVX instructions if processor has it, overall advantage seems to reduce cpu usage which is a good thing is it not.
     
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  14. vaiman

    vaiman NI Product Owner

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    lol... ok

    Anyway, I'm perfectly happy with my setup and to all the white knights... enjoy your new plugin!

    I'll just leave this here, how did we ever miss the requirement!

    https://www.musicradar.com/news/nat...nces-massive-x-vst-synth-but-there-is-a-catch


    for the lazy "Unfortunately, there’s not much more in the way of public information about the synth at the time of writing."
     
  15. Goon

    Goon NI Product Owner

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    I will just leave this here, how did you ever miss this requirement!
    https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/massivex-hardware-requirements.339173/
     
  16. vaiman

    vaiman NI Product Owner

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  17. GuidoPa

    GuidoPa NI Product Owner

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    NOVO essentials works with Kontakt is written here: https://heavyocity.com/product/novo-essentials/ .

    So you buy it, ****, it does not work with Kontakt 5.

    Why?

    Because under the requirements tab it says that it works with Kontakt 6. https://heavyocity.com/product/novo-essentials/

    So following the logic of all complainers here: it's the fault of Heaviocity. They did not mention it.

    Read the requirements before you buy something, it's the first and only commandment in gameland. It should be the first commandment everywhere.

    Or do all complainers here signcontracts in real life and complain afterwards because they did not read the little letters?
     
  18. vaiman

    vaiman NI Product Owner

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    Not the point *sigh. Even when people did realise back in September, you think they would run out and buy a new system just to support 1 plugin!?
    That's my main gripe, having not seen the requirement has zero impact on the outcome.

    We can bang on about this AVX thing all year, but facts are NI didn't communicate this requirement effectively. Otherwise why are there numerous people mentioning it. But blame users, it's easier than sending 1 email stating this very thing back in Sept.

    lol...
    User Manual: Coming soon
    Says it all........ I'm out
     
  19. vaiman

    vaiman NI Product Owner

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    So it doesn't run under the free Player?
     
  20. GuidoPa

    GuidoPa NI Product Owner

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