No support for MacPro 5,1? AVX Compatible processor required...

My avid hdx 4 system with mac pro 5:1. Icon d control was over 200k. My analog gear is north of 100k. My studio costs 40k a year in lease payments and insurance. My NI gear was about 3k. I make my living making music. I don't have time worrying about the latest and greatest. But I do want to try massive X. But not if I have to update my computer. Maybe when I get the new mac pro.

If I was a starving wannabe music producer with a laptop in his mom's basement I would not be a bit peeved you need a new computer to just run massive x.

 

Shaming hobby musicans because of your outdated hardware is not the best move.

 

Only thing my setup will not run is massive x. Analog gear is never outdated. I am pointing out the fact that some people on here are all "blah blah blah read the press release you have old gear... " the 51 was the last pro machine apple released. I didn't have a choice but to stay on it. The new mac pro will be good. But that should of been released years ago.

Fact is if your only concern is a new laptop then I suppose people can ask their mommy for $.

 

It become outdated last Friday, or am I missing something? You may have blew half a million on gear but it can't run a plugin. Maybe invest in a Acer laptop from eBuyer or lookup VEP.
Insulting others isn't the answer however, no matter how much gear you've have.

 

I use vepro for my templates. I suppose I can satelite a 2nd rig. I've done that before. But you do realize anything involving NI and sample libraries is a complete pain right?

And I'm not insulting others. Unless the truth is somehow too much to bear.

All these posts are NI apologists. They need to get their stuff together. You wonder why pros stay on old gear and software? Because it works.

 

That's all I've done with vepro. It was a 'massive' disappointment Massive X if I'm honest, so I wouldn't bother until it's at least a few iterations down the road.
C'mon man, saying stuff like 'mommy' and 'wannabe music producer' isn't ever going to get a positive reaction is it? I understand you're ticked off because of this AVX fiasco, me too... but shouting about it on NI forums isn't going to get you anywhere.

If you want pro gear then sadly a $100 plugin isn't going to cut it.

 

I thought it was pretty funny and spot on what I posted. Maybe I'm a little harsher than people would like. Lol.

I don't even care to be honest. Was just reading about massive x and came across this thread. So I made fun of it. I hardly ever upgrade stuff because i don't want to worry about it.

 

The irony of what you're saying here is that the laptop of that wannabe music producer is much more likely to have a CPU that has AVX onboard

 

My shitty 300 € laptop does, so... yep.

 

I am kind of confused about the relevance of how expensive your studio is if your reason for not upgrading your computer is Apple not making the computer you like. If you couldn't upgrade due to already having too many expenses I could understand why you would bring that up...

That depends on what's your definition of a Pro Machine, your's clearly doesn't match Apple's since they use "Pro" in a ton of their machines, at least around 20 modern models are faster than a 5.1, for some folks, those would actually be considered more "professional" but that can be very subjective I guess.

Just curious here, why do you say you have no choice? Because you need PCI-E for your AVID system? what feature does the 5.1 or the upcoming Mac Pro have that the others dont that make them the only option for you?

 

Pro meaning expandable without the use of a bunch of dongles. To use an expanded trashcan you need to put the cpu in a chassis. Then a bunch of cables . Mac mini etc... same thing.

Most pro setups are 51s. Or trashcans in a chassis.

Personally I need a system with pcie. The new mac pro has it. A lot of them. How it should be. Wonder why apple declared the new mac pro the computer for professionals? Because the last one was a 51.

I have a macbook pro I wonder if it does avx. I've never even heard of it before.

 

If your MBP is post-2011 it has AVX.

 

Nice! Thanks

 

What!? Put the CPU in chassis? Please elaborate.

There are external boxes for PCI-e, although I understand it's a bit of a hassle to have to use them.

Well... Apple's current definition of a professional computer is one that costs anywhere from 15000$ to 45000$ as no one in their right mind should buy the base model that has merely an 8-Core + RX 580 for 6000$. Mac Pro used to mean high-end professionals, from freelance music producers, recording studios to photographers, videographers, etc... Now it's aimed at a pro class much, much higher than the typical Profesional, big movie Studios seem like the obvious target.

Being satisfied with the performance of a very old 5.1 and upgrading to a +- 20k$ computer seems like complete overkill for just PCI-e, that's a lot of money just to avoid dongles for a machine that never leaves the studio, but hey... to each their own I guess.

 

The mac pro trashcans can be put into a chassis. Connected via thunderbolt. But its cludgy and you still end up with cables everywhere.

Do you even know how people run a music business career? My 51 has been running strong with incremental upgrades for 8 or 9 years. Every investment you make lowers your taxable income. So when I purchase a new mac pro for 30-40k or whatever it is written off as a section 179 deduction. That means my taxable income is lowered by that amount.
40k for a new computer that will last 5 to 8 years is nothing in the scheme of making money. I guarantee you every producer, composer, who run their own pro studio will get the new mac pro. How much apple locks down the components will determine what to spend. For audio the graphics side of things will not be the main concern. I'm mainly concerned about cpu and ram specs.

 

Yes it is. On PC side you make a computer that will last about the same time or longer for a 4-digit number.

But CPU is what will define the audio performance, of course!

I highly doubt that, it's pretty obvious by the way Apple spec'd things out that it's geared more towards video and 3D animation rather than audio workloads, and Apple tax is even more of a slap in the face this time around. There have been discussions about this. Those Xeons don't support an all-core turbo of the maximum specified frequency. Something like i9-9980XE would be a much better choice of a CPU for DAW work.

 

I think if you do a component level spec of the new mac pro the apple tax is not that bad.
I actually want to spec out a PC build for a 2nd rig. For my studio though it would involve too much.

 

Can you post a link that shows a trash-can MP CPU in another chassis, please? Never heard of such a thing, maybe I am just dumb or missed it.

Why the arrogance though? There's no need to keep offending people to state your point.
I run a pretty successful music career and business, as well as been in plenty of sucessfull high-end recording studios throughout my career, unlike you though I dont see that as validation for my opinions of tech, an opinion is just an opinion.

I am not trying to offend you, just having a conversation, not sure why you keep saying that kind of stuff like everyone who slightly disagrees is attacking you.

My deduction of the overall ballpark cost comes from just looking at the prices of the known components vs basemodel and paying attention to the tech reviewers, the people who's a job it is to know enough to somewhat predict this kind of stuff, it doesn't mean they're right though.
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...pro-how-much-top-spec-price-estimate-ballpark

Your Tax explanation is fair.
That assumption everyone is gonna buy it is debatable, but since your opinion is more validated than mine because you have a successful music business and I dont I guess you're right and I am wrong and there's no debate.

 

Small omission + Big emotions = long thread
Greetings to all from Crete Island

 

Yes it is, you can make the base spec new MP for <$4k in PC realm - and it would actually be more powerful (based on i9-9900K).