No support for MacPro 5,1? AVX Compatible processor required...

Can you google?? Thunderbolt mac pro chassis.

I have no idea about the rest of your post. It's not right or wrong. I'm giving you an opinion of my ideas. Where did I say people were attacking me?
You are the one calling me arrogant. I'm just telling the truth. You can post whatever you want. I can care less.

Wonder if it's possible for a PC with 6 double wide pcie slots? The new mac pro does a lot right. I'm reluctant to go pc simply because everything I have is on mac.

 

And you need 6 double-wide PCIe slots for what exactly? AFAIK only the beefiest GPUs are double-wide PCIe because of cooling... you need 6 of 'em on an audio production machine? Let's bring things down to Earth, please.

 

Advanced Vector Extensions = AVX
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Vector_Extensions
macOS: support added in 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) update released on June 23, 2011.

 

Currently I have avid hdx 4 in a magma eb7 expansion chassis. (But only 3 work, I know some people got 4 cards to work) In the new mac pro avid said it will support hdx 6. So 6 pcie cards. Don't need double wide but I just know that is the spec. I want the additional hdx processors. Also for expanded i/o. Also I'm still working at 24 bit 44.1. If I ever start working in 24 bit 88.2 its double the bandwidth and storage. The new mac pro will be able to do that easily.

 

Put the CPU in an external chassis... That's hilarious, can't really take you seriously after a statement like that.

 

What are you talking about? When I say cpu I mean the whole computer. Most people would know this. If you are asking questions knowing full well what I mean yet trying to use semantics and or purposely act like you do not know what I mean that is just lame. Do you understand now?

 

Equating the term "CPU" to the whole computer is not exactly a kosher thing to do.

 

A CPU is a CPU, a whole computer is a whole computer, again I wasn't trying to be a jerk, hence why I asked multiple times, including for a link in case you had missed used the term CPU, giving you the benefit of the doubt. Ok you think I am here to attack you, conversation over i guess. Have a good day Sir.

 

We use data tracking for that (which can be turned off in the settings of our plugins), from that data we got that more than 90% of our Massive users had an AVX compatible processor (already back in 2016 when work on Massive X started)

 

Or you can just ask what do you mean by cpu? But you are just passive aggressive trying to catch me in a semantics snafu trying to prove some random point.

 

Most likely you still knew what i meant. If not you can ask.

 

If building for a DAW so not requiring more than a basic GPU and using decent branded components, the equivalent pricing is under £1K in the UK versus £6K for the Mac. Or for £1,300 you'd be looking at a 12 core, 64GB RAM and 1TB PCIe SSD.
For £6K you'd be looking at 32 cores, 128GB RAM, 1TB Boot PCIe, 8TB U.2 PCIe Data drive with a budget of ~£1,300 for the GPU.
The Apple tax on these starts at £5K, but the platform scales well above the ceiling for the system above which is where it starts to make sense. So well above what DAW users require, clearly making it a platform for higher end video/graphics.

 

Not quite... Keep in mind the components used by Apple in this context are server/workstation grade, the Xeon W 8-Core alone is around 1300$, that's just the CPU... then add ECC Ram and it will rise quickly, the NVMe SSD's are also much faster than the typical ones. The apple tax should be around 2k I think, probably less, there's no way to evaluate the cost of a machined aluminum case though, but the commercial cheap ones go for 500$.
If server/workstation grade components are worth the massive price difference from more consumer based ones is debatable though.

 

My plugins don't run any faster on a CPU just because it has been given the Xeon brand name; no relevance.
If you really want to add ECC to that platform you can but how many DAW users are currently using ECC or care to pay a premium to do so? With a self-build you get to choose and on looking the jump to Samsung ECC is an extra £30 per 32GB; peanuts.
Apple’s SSDs are actually slower than you can spec for the entry level system listed above as it comes with PCIe 4.0.
Apple are stuck on PCIe 3.0 which is generally the bottleneck for SDDs and definitely for sustained speeds.
If you really want to pay a premium for sustained speeds of 5GB/s then you can buy that now or wait until they start hitting 6 to 7GB’s next year.
I budgeted for a fast PCIe 3.0 but the choice is yours if you want to go higher; Apple are slower.
A machined aluminium case is worth the same to me as my Fractal Design case which I chose in conjunction with the other parts as they offer me complete silence even at 100% load; £75.
So the Apple tax is still £5k for me and it doesn’t offer a faster system, a quieter system or more features that I actually require.
If you think a block of aluminium and a sticker with Xeon is worth £5k you might also like Alienware systems!

 

For DAW work - no. ECC RAM is actually very slightly slower than regular RAM due to extra error checking. Xeons are also gimped in the turbo boost area and you cannot overclock all their cores to sustained turbo boost speed like you can with, say i9-9900K running all its cores at continous 5 GHz, and some have done the same with the 18-core monster that is 9980XE...

 

Can you hackintosh a pc? With new i9?

 

Jim own one
https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/avx-cpu-testing-software.358537/
with AVX2

 

Yeah should be able to.

 

Yes, absolutely... I'll upgrade to an i9 later this year, just pop my 8700k out and put in 9900k, hopefully also sell the old one for half the i9 price and be good for years. Even AMD can be used in a Hackintosh, it's harder than Intel and I have no idea if it's stable though.

Interesting... I had the wrong impression then, so it's just a "safer thing" ? Then it's not really worth it? I never had any ram corruption/error problems, ever... (at least that know of)
Admittedly I never really looked into it for Audio because the price is kind of crazy to me, I just wait for the consumer stuff to get more cores.

 

I didn't say they would, we were talking about the price, apple tax, not CPU performance, I said it was more expensive, and that's a non-debatable fact. I also said "If it gives more performance or not is debatable" so ... yeah.
Xeons have other exclusive features but honestly, I dont care enough to research them, all I know is ECC, cache and higher clock count options.

I am not defending Apple prices... I have a Hackintosh, Apple can burn in hell for I care, I just like OSX better than Windows.

Depends on what ram you go for. I hadn't checked the prices in a while, the difference is smaller now, so... you might have a point here.

Can you give me an example of one of those 5GB/s SSD's? How much do they cost? I definitively would love that. Not claiming to know it all, always up to learning. Actually already learned a few things with EvilDragon and I am not angry about it.

I have a standard 960 EVO and its nowhere near this: (iMac Pro Speeds)

That's fine, good for you, I have a 120$ NZXT case, couldn't care less about expensive machined aluminum cases either. Apple fans tend to like the Apple design though, the case is there and it costs money regardless if you personally care or not, so it does inflate the price, also a fact.

Ok, cool. It could also be 5.900 tax to you... it's your opinion. Not sure why everyone is so sensitive in this thread... but it sure is entertaining. lol
Nop, I dont like Apple computers, and also dont like Alienware... not really much a Minecraft or Fornite player to like an overpriced RGB mess of a gaming system, already have xmas tree in the basement, nice joke tho, make some more!