No support for MacPro 5,1? AVX Compatible processor required...

Been forced to buy into a high end server platform repositioned as a workstation just to have a DAW is part of the Apple tax in this case.
There are very few cases where as a home build you would choose that platform for a DAW regardless of price.
The entry level version is like a £60k carbon fibre sports car with the same engine and brakes as a well made £10k car offering the same performance.
DAW usage is like the school run in the city so not demanding.
The difference with the Mac is that you can pimp your ride so that it performs really well at the race track which is the equivalent of high end video work.
But even there it will eclipsed not long after its release by the 3rd generation Threadripper platform in some but not all key areas.

They will probably be great machines but I just think it's a kick in the teeth for DAW users having to face a 5k tax on a 6k purchase.

 

I’m intrigued by this Hackintosh! Without unduly burdening anyone, can someone explain the basic configuration and how the Mac-OS is grafted on?
Many thanks

 

What do you mean by configuration?
Heres a non technical explanation: OSX is installed using a normal bootable USB flash drive the official way but with a with a special bootloader, the bootloader tricks the installer into believing your PC is a Mac, after installation it stays on your HD on separate hidden partition, your PC always loads the bootloader at the start, think of it like software that loads into OS's (Mac, Linux, Windows) from then on you run mac on a PC.

 

Incredible - many thanks!

 

Call me stupid if you want, but I am very happy with my Mac Pro 5,1, 12 core 3.46ghz, 500g M.2 1,500 mb/sec startup drive, 96gb ram, gtx 1080 hybrid, SSDs, usb 3, etc. I am happy with all my software working except Massive X and IK MODO DRUM. Maybe someday I will be forced to upgrade, but not yet—and when I do, it is more likely that it will be to a PC than a Mac.

I say developers should keep this in mind for future software figure out a way to offer a lite version of their software that doesn't require avx or maybe a simple "use avx" toggle in the preferences. There actually are a lot of us Mac Pro Cheese Grater users out there.

 

But still a comparative minority overall. It's all about how much payoff would the time spent to do a non-AVX version result in. My guess is - not much payoff there, so better to focus on other things.

 

It all depends on how much work would have to have been done when it was being developed. Maybe it could have been as simple as an avx toggle like similar to plugins have a low cpu mode. I'd like to think they have thought all these things through, but too many times we have seen hacks that enable software to run on old hardware. My mindset, I am on a mac pro 4,1>5,1. I know you know what I am talking about, because I am really enjoying your pro-53 nks presets with my mode machines professor v2, thanks BTW.

 

No, it's not that simple because it changes how data is handled. It is certainly possible but requires a lot more effort than you'd think. "low cpu" mode you basically have by restricting the number of voicings

 

This is my 15th year with DAWs and music software. Over the years many good products have dissapeared. Some have been replaced by a similar product but some have gone completely as the developers are gone. And one day you need to upgrade the computer (or the OS) and then the old software does not work anymore. The list of what I miss is long. Over time the replacements utilize an ever much sharper computer and to fully utilize that and to keep support at a manageble level, the developers have to leave old platforms. That is just the way it is. Better products in some respects and suited for modern computer capacity. I don't mind that. In fact I urge it. I would not have Omnisphere as it is now if Spectrasonics stayed on old computers.

What I do mind however is not giving adequat information. Native knew a lot of who was on a non AVX system. Yet no warning was given. Just some tiny words pretty well hidden on the web page of Massive. No red flag when marketing X. When the Komplete upgrade was offered, you would need several clicks and dig deep down to find any information on AVX. And btw I would not call one sentence "information" on what AVX is and what it means to be AVX dependent. And I must say even if I should happen to read that sentence about X, I would assume that my computer was, as it would have been the first time I would have come accross AVX. Native knows this as well. But instead of giving MASSIVE (no pun intended) heads up they tuck the information away. They sell the product, take the money, and then and only then, when trying to install the product, the message comes that your computer cannot install the product you just bought. As this message comes upon installing it would have been easy to have a "test your computer for avx compatibility" flashing over the screen when launching Komplete with X. I have found out by testing X on another computer that it is really nothing much to miss, at least for the time being, but I think that the way Massive was launched to exisiting customers was so misleading I parked Massive and most other Native products in the garage. The world of music software is so huge you can choose to stay with developers that put customer care above greed.

 

They did know--it's a small proportion of users, mostly running older Mac desktops (or very old PCs). And they did give notice, as has been amply pointed out previously in this thread--you yourself reference it in your very next sentence.

That's not so--it's right there on the purchase page under system requirements. There was even a little "Please note" in boldface.

There's your problem. If you're going to flatly ignore the system requirements and--I quote--assume your computer is up to scratch in spite of the stated requirement of something you don't recognize, I don't see that you have anyone to blame but yourself.

Come on. You didn't bother to make sure you could run the software before buying it, and now you're acting butthurt. Read the system requirements. Always. Sheesh.

 

If you think the information at the time of release was ample, pls explain why Native now has a more thoruogh warning and description of AVX.

 

I broke down and purchased a "Later Model" iMac to run all the N.I. stuff I was entitled to after purchase. I do think the announcement could have been bigger, but it is what it is.