Noire Volume Issue

I have seen the low volume issue mentioned a few times about the plugin, Noire, but have seen no solutions. I am using a NI 88 controller.
I feel there is something not right, whether it is a bug or weird setting. When playing the keyboard, the volume is super low. You can set the velocity to every different setting and it does almost nothing. If you turn up the plugin (at top left) all the way, it is still not loud enough and then you try the sample and the red lights go through the roof! I sure love the idea of this plugin and it's type of sounds but this makes it difficult. Yes, I know it is dynamic and ambient but the sample should not be that much louder by comparison. Also worth noting, every other NI plugin, Logic plugins, and all third party plugins, all work at the volumes they should. Thanks for any help!

 

Hmmm...no answers?

 

Nobody has the cure. This upgrade I just bought seems a lot less useful right now.

 

Maybe nobody can replicate the issue so there are no suggestions?

 

Thanks for your reply. Hmm...not sure. If you search something like "low volume noire" you definitely get a few people mentioning this but nobody seems to mention an actual solution. Some have mentioned resetting velocity, or just turning up the level(top right corner) and resaving, but none of that actually fixes anything. For example, I can set the velocity to all settings plus the one that says KK S88 and none get very loud. So then you crank the level up and think, it is getting close to useable. Then you scroll through the NI presets and the demo chord blows the red lights to the very top, at loud volume. I personally think it is something in the plugin that needs to be tweaked. You should not have to try to play really hard or reduce dynamics via compression etc, on a plugin that is obviously meant to be played softly up to moderate velocity. It obviously just needs a tweak internally and it will be golden. Every other NI plugin I have in Komplete and all others I own work perfectly.

 

I wonder if CC7 might be spuriously sent from somwhere with low values?

 

If so, it is interesting that it only does so with Noire. Does not affect any other Komplete stuff or others. Is there a way to monitor that from Komplete Kontrol or would you need to do that with another app? I just tried snoize and did not really get any info other than everything seemed to be sending the normal midi messages.

 

You could try and set Komplete Kontrol to edit view, so that you can see the full Kontakt GUI, then press KSP button in top right, and load a MIDI monitor multiscript from Presets->Utilities folder.

 

Thank you! I thought I remembered using that feature awhile back. The velocities etc, that show up in the menu are basically the same for Noire as the grandeur and others. Pretty varied because of my not-great technique, but essentially 50s-to the top 127. The difference is the output in the little (adjustable slider top right) meter jumps up to maybe 40%-50% when using Noire. With grandeur for example a bit higher, not crazy amount.

My observations: I think the nature of the sound of Noire is softer in general so that is one part. Another part is the preview chord seems crazy loud in comparison to the actual sound so that throws off your senses. I can resave every single sound with hotter levels but that would be so annoying and tedious! Plus the preview gets louder as you turn it up, although I think when you save, it does not have the preview. I guess I can turn off the preview but that is a really nice function to audition your factory presets.I guess if there is no fix I will just try to work around it.

 

If the instrument volume slider jumps, that is a sure sign of CC7 being spuriously sent from somewhere.

 

I guess I worded that incorrectly. I mean that the output level is in those ranges. Slider does not move, just the virtual VU. Everything acts the same all across the board, it's just that Noire is not as loud.

 

Many libraries vary in perceived loudness for Kontakt, depending on how coded and overall dynamic range and loudness of highest velocity sample, or volume of 8 notes played at once at highest elocity to avoid clipping. Typically if you dont want to adjust output slider in library or patch, you can increase input gain or level in the mixer in your daw.

 

Thank you guys for the replies. I thought maybe there was some sort of fix for this but it appears that there is not.

Simchris: I get what you are saying, maybe I am just expecting too much. It is certainly not a big deal to get recorded levels, etc. However...it just seems odd and out of place with ALL the other plugins and the preview chord... everything else in the whole suite is really consistent across the board. Really the main hassle lies in one category...if you want to search for sounds to either record straight away, or ones to edit, you scroll through and hear the preview and it is either just right and you can barely hear the actual sound once engaged, or you turn up and hear the actual sound but the preview knocks the meters through the roof. I guess I can possibly make some kind of really compressed/brick wall setting just for previewing...just seems to be a step you should not have to take, IMHO.

 

By the way, previews for Maschine/Komplete Kontrol browser are mandatory to be LUFS normalized to -19 dB or -3 dB true peak. This is why previews can sometimes end up sounding louder than actual patch.

 

Also, apologies, I think I missed the issue being with previews, and not the actual library. So, my comment on library volume in use, loaded into Kontakt, would not have anything to do with the *previews* in KK, obviously. Pardon my #doh. For my own sampling of all my vintage keyboards in Kontakt, some of my instruments start out very quiet, but with evolving textures, 7 seconds in are 10x as loud and so the initial volume in Kontakt sounds wrong, until you hold down some keys then it pegs the volume level meter. EvilDragon likely had the best answer there on previews since dynamic range reduced to give you flavor of sound, not the actual patch itself (previews don't play the sound, they are separate sound recordings of the patch, normalized). Anyway, not sure any of that helped in any way -- first cup of coffee and the forum poked me on the topic.

 

No worries Simchris, I guess it is just the way it is, or will be. My opinion is that I would say that the preview is not the problem. I do see that preview stuff is usually a bit louder than the sound, especially depending on your playing dynamic, and that is not a big deal, maybe represents the top of the range of your sound. I know I sound like a broken record, I guess because I am surprised there is not more people mentioning this. But...if all volumes are set correctly to play/audition sounds/record, with no red lights, everything works as it should except Noire (actual sounds) are noticeably more quiet that everything else on my computer. By a few dbs at the very least.