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Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by Connieboy69, Nov 8, 2019 at 10:46 PM.

  1. Connieboy69

    Connieboy69 New Member

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    So I want to become a maschine mikro mk3 owner, but need a laptop as my old one is.... Well... really old and takes hours just to start ,
    Now currently on pc specialist customising a laptop, it'll only really be used for maschine mikro mk3, so my question is, would there be any difference between the i5 quad core processor and the i7 6 core processor in terms of using a maschine mikro mk3 with 8gb of ram, would it be enough to go with the i5 and spend the money elsewhere?
    Thanks
     
  2. Uwe303

    Uwe303 NI Product Owner

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    That's not so easy to answer cause it depends on what you want to use inside of maschine, Big orchestral libraries or more synthesizers or even both and lots of it + fx. Normally here in the forum everyone says new gen. i7 and 16 gigs of ram. But if you are on a budget a new generation i5 and 8 gigs is also fine but then of course you can use less instruments. I have an older 6th gen. i5 with 16 gigs of ram and make techno stuff, really simple, and it all runs perfect. A good audio interface also helps to have better latency, performance and sound. But of course if you buy a i5 you are in danger to buy things twice if you discover the Hans Zimmer in you. But if you just want to make some beats you will be absolutely fine with a i5. Just my opinion.

    Uwe

    HP 250 G7 6EC86ES
    This one is not bad but only 15inch
    and there also i5 models (6HM85ES)
    And you can easily add ram, i have done it wit this model
    + native audio interface and you are ready
     
  3. ShelLuser

    ShelLuser NI Product Owner

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    From one Maschine n00bie to another :D

    Assuming you won't be using it for much else i5 should provide. What will make a huge difference though is internal memory because most of Maschine's library consists of samples which means that those will have to get stored somewhere for faster access which means.. memory consumption.

    A fair warning here though... The Mikro is awesome for what it can do, but keep in mind that it takes getting used to. You'd mostly be using the software (= keyboard & mouse) to set everything up after which you'll use the Mikro to perform / jam. The reason I say this is because I had a Mikro myself for a short time but eventually decided to replace it with a full Mk3 (and I love it). Nothing negative about the Mikro, but keep in mind that you may need to get used to it.
     
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  4. telecode101

    telecode101 NI Product Owner

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    I think 8gb ram is enough for maschine. it doesn't use that much ram. its the DAW and VST's on your workstation that uses RAM. If you just use Maschine and the expansions i think 8gb should be enough. if you get komplete and massive x, then you need more RAM i think.
     
  5. mas chine gun

    mas chine gun NI Product Owner

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    I’m using a six year old Toshiba satellite nothing added To the rack all factory 8 GB RAM Intel i7 processor Smart audio HD sound card
    I can run waveform 10 orb artificial composer Maschine 2 komplete kontrol All at the same time via my workflow no problems
    If you type into your browser it should be simple to find a CPU comparison site you can get details on cpu timing if you’re concerned about that For sure 8 GB RAM minimum From running multiple affects drum kits synthesizer VST’s etc.
    Before I used a desktop 8 gigabyte RAM i5 processor and that would be eight years ago No problems
    Basically today’s processes are so much faster you shouldn’t have any problems running maschine
     
  6. D-One

    D-One Moderator Moderator

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    Saving money on an i5 now will force you to upgrade your laptop sooner, assuming both CPU's are from the same generation an i7 will last you longer so you save money in the long run. I'd rather not have fancy things like 4k screens, fancy keyboards, gaming GPU's, etc.. and get a better CPU.
    With that said you should be fine regardless, if you do get an i5 just try to get the best one you can within your budget, they are most definitively not all the same.

    Try to buy a laptop with upgradeable ram just in case you ever need more than 8gb of ram you can juts buy the ram separately and upgrade yourself.
     
  7. ShelLuser

    ShelLuser NI Product Owner

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    But why assume that:
    1. We'll get a new Maschine release "soonish" (what do you know that we don't? :D)
    2. Assume that said release will require more resources?
    Generally speaking I agree with you but OP clearly stated that the approach here was to dedicate the computer for Maschine purposes. And within that context I don't see much difference between processors, better yet: unless NI is going for something drastic I don't see any issues with future updates either.

    Which also brings me to... why the assumption that updates are always needed?

    Just because something doesn't get any updates doesn't mean it'll become useless, that's what companies want to make you believe in order to sell more stuff. True story: Before January this year (2019) I've been using a Win7 32bit machine and I pulled of plenty of stuff with that. Live 9, Reason 6, Max 5 and of course plenty of Komplete instruments (powered by the legacy of Komplete Elements 7). I used stuff which was years old and no issues. On pretty much ancient hardware for that matter.
     
  8. Connieboy69

    Connieboy69 New Member

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    Thanks for the replies, I think I'll go with the i7 for future proofing, and I'm tempted to up the ram from 8 to 16 as well, I'm a complete novice to this never really done anything musical before, so I guess I won't be taxing the system for a while, but it'll give me options in the future I guess
     
  9. telecode101

    telecode101 NI Product Owner

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    If you care about battery life and mobility, you *may* want to check and compare discussions on CPU forums and notebook check site on performance comparison between a i5 and a i7 while running on battery.

    Yes. An i7 will "future proof" but the reality is, you will not be rendering digital video or compiling kernels all day, so you may find out you don't need an i7 and an i5 will suffice and may give you more battery life while idiling. Modern i5 cpus are also extremely powerful.
     
  10. CH7

    CH7 NI Product Owner

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    I 'found' a Toshiba satellite running a 3630QM cpu, that's the older 3rd gen i7 quad core chip, on ebay for £40. I added SSD and 12gb of ram, fixed the hinges - see instructables how to ;) and now this thing is running sweet. The point is you don't have to pay big bucks, aim instead for the best cpu you can afford. The rest is upgradable.

    Watch out for the Sony vaio which in a lot of cases have none upgradable cpu sets fixed to their motherboards ;-/. The other factor to consider is screen resolution. Most laptop screens are 1366 x 768, You might want to go for Full HD resolution 1920 x 1080, or better to DAW proof your laptop ;)
     
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  11. mas chine gun

    mas chine gun NI Product Owner

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    CH7 Understands machine software isn’t a full-fledged DAW It’s not resource hungry it would only be resource hungry if he using a bunch of live effects load a bunch of drum kits VST’s etc it’s all based on your workload
    Right now I think of maschine software like a sketchpad instead of a DAW
    And that flexibility allows it to run on virtually any machine and as far as future proofing don’t listen to that garbage some people are so in love with The newest shiny technology they don’t realize what they already have
    Just a piece of advice don’t waste Resources wondering about years from now used or new computer same thing it’s almost 2020 people computers are a lot smarter then you think LOL Hi five myself
     
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  12. Connieboy69

    Connieboy69 New Member

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    Thanks for all the input
    I'm looking at these specs at the moment

    Cosmos Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS 60Hz 45% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
    Processor (CPU)Intel® Core™ i5 Quad Core Processor 9300H (2.4GHz, 4.1GHz Turbo)
    Memory (RAM)16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)
    NVIDIA® GeForce® MX250 - 2.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX®12
    1st Storage Drive1TB SEAGATE 7mm SERIAL ATA III 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 128MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
    1st M.2 SSD Drive256GB ADATA SX6000 Pro PCIe M.2 2280 (2100 MB/R, 1200 MB/W)
     
  13. D-One

    D-One Moderator Moderator

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    I dont know much more than regular users or beta users, sometimes I find stuff in the scripts code but last time I shared that a bunch of music news websites picked it up, posted articles and it was sort of scandalous; never doing that again. If we get an update this year, it will contain something mentioned here in the "coming soon" section, probably the Playhead position thing with some extras, VST3 if we are lucky.

    Well, firstly "What should I buy" is always subjective, there's no right answer so no one can be right or wrong while giving advice, well... sometimes people can give silly advice but won't point anyone out as that would be rude.

    If he asked for a laptop for Ableton, Cubase or any other DAW I would say go and get the i5 if you're on a budget, however, Maschine's lack of hyperthreading makes quite inefficient compared to other software. Ableton can run 2x more stuff than Maschine on my laptop, 4/5 expansions groups and my CPU starts to crap it itself... maschine often uses half of the available CPU power, this has been discussed heavily before.

    I do have an i5 and deeply regretted buying it, hence my advice... I saved a bit of money 3 years ago but now I need a new laptop, I cant run Maschine + my DJ software at the same time with a decent buffer size without risking dropouts mid-performance.... I never had to upgrade so soon before, albeit my i5 is 2-core 4-threads, not a 4-core like the Op said. For most people, the computer is the indispensable part, people can make music without fancy controllers, interfaces, speakers but not without a computer... everything connects to it, no computer = no music, if it's the heart of everything it's the last thing one should cheap out on; IMHO of course. a 600$ midi controller on a 600$ computer makes no sense to me, it's like having a radio on your car that costs as much as the car itself... but of course, that's subjective.

    What do you mean with 'updates'? software updates?
    I am pretty experienced with computers to get fooled by marketing, I build my own desktops for performance if I could build my own laptop I would.
    A Win7 and 32bit in 2019 would be preposterous to me, it cant use more than 4GB of ram, that is what something like Chrome alone would use for me with like 7 tabs open... but of course, if you have no choice or dont care for performance you can live with that just fine, personally I rather the computer waits for me than me waiting for the computer.

    There's also the factor that back in the day not as many people used computers, now everyone owns one, even kids need it for school, because of this the gap between low end and high is much, much bigger now, from very slow laptops dedicated to just email and light browsing to laptops designed for real work, to that add that now laptops are now generally more focused more on looks, lightness, and silence while the top-selling points used to be performance. Modern OS's and apps are much more demanding than 12 years ago.

    That's a 9th gen CPU... you should be fine, a mechanical drive in 2019 is a bit odd tho.
    There's a high chance 10th gen is gonna release soon, I would wait a couple of months in your shoes to either get the newer one or get that one at a lower price. Up to you.

    https://www.techradar.com/news/intel-comet-lake-release-date-news-and-features
     
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  14. Connieboy69

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    I just really picked the hard drive as a cheaper option for extra storage, I did consider doing away with it and just going for one higher capacity ssd, but I I won't have as much storage for a higher price
     
  15. Uwe303

    Uwe303 NI Product Owner

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    Absolutely fine!!

    Uwe
     
  16. D-One

    D-One Moderator Moderator

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    Usually, those are removable, so later on if you ever decide to replace it with an SSD you should be fine, if you care about how fast things load then double-check if it's really removable/upgradable, if you dont care then you're fine.
     
  17. sam_saw

    sam_saw NI Product Owner

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    Hey noobs, keep reading this until it sets in
    Instead of things like this
     
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