Note length

What? Did I missunderstand you? If I have a 16 bar pattern (or even a 4 or 8 bar pattern) I should copy each bar to a different pad)? Sorry this is the most complicated workaround I almost ever heard about. And if you think about using CPU hungry plugins which need to be copied all the time... this computer doesn't exist which can handle workarounds like this!

Why not? Even if I just have 20 notes in 1 or 2 bars - it's complicated enough to seperate a single note! And I never experienced that the amount of notes in a track are a problem for the workflow - with no sequencer I ever was working with! Why I can't use as much notes per track as I need?

I bought Maschine to be (or better: feel) independent to a computer! I don't want to be forced to look to a computer screen - particularly not in live-act situations... and even not in the studio (often I turn my monitor to "off", because it's annoing to "see" your music - much better is to "feel" your music... and this is almost impossible with such an amount of visual feedback.

By the way: A good designed hardware sequencer DOESN't need a screen (or just a little one) - think about it and you'll get my point!

 

> and you 2 are complaining

you lost me here, first of i'm not complaining a bit disappointed yes but all i am doing is feature request ( and defending them so it seems ). This whole thread shows that we are more than 2, no?

> intuitive, as is the entire select page.
To me its not intuitive (sigh). try to see beyond your own nose, yeah maybe i am just a dumb F*** that doesn't get it ooooor it could be you?

>complex pattern of 50-80 notes.

Not my example, so doesnt relate to me really, but yeah a bit ridiculous.

>this has affected your workflow negatively

the select screen didn't and by all means lets keep it, but the update did. It changed the nudge behavior in [STEP], something i use(d) a lot (http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=177278 )

But whats it to you? do the things we request collide with anything in your workflow? i don't get it.

 

lawlz.

sorry i used a musical term.

here it is in plain speak:

"for different octaves, use different pads to keep life simple" (aka voices:bass tenor alto soprano)

it would have saved you this entire conversation.
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and no,

the end of this thread is you 2 complaining.

the thread is about note end, you 2 are talking about the select page.
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and both of you are talking to me at the same time about the same thing(i think), sorry if i cant direct my comments properly.

btw i'm done, have a nice day you guys!

 

Ok...you don't get it.....trust me

Have a nice day as well, sincerely!

 

and i was actually trying to help you guys by offering a (to me) better way. sorry

 

Yup and thanks for that. I was agreeing that there is no point discussing features when we are so far from eachother, waste of energy.

And the good day was really sincere.

 

Edit: It actually does work better than I thought. Just use the event parameter on knob 4 to tab through and select the event you want to edit. You just can't do it while in keyboard mode. Toggle out of keyboard mode and use the event parameter on Knob 4. The pitch parameter will update on knob 7. If the event field says multi then push the none button 8 to go back to single selection.

I still think it would be nice to have a next increment on button 4 so you can tab through the events even in keyboard mode. This will also let you see exactly what notes you are selecting on the GUI while in keyboard mode.

 

Another idea I saw from saintjoe is to make sound and event a single toggle on button 2. This would allow button 3 to be free as a previous button so you would have next and previous. The buttons would also give more precise tabbing without needing to use shift.

 

Yeah no doubt the selection page is cool, it was just not the solution i was hoping for, so am a little frustrated.

The need to go to a new page to make a little edit blows it for me, also i think for the select page to work best you have to look at the screen, well my screen is on screensaver because i havent used it + mouse & keyboard while jamming away. Also you have to remember what event no. you want to edit.

In Step mode you have visual feedback on what step is playing and on what steps you have hits/notes

- press pad
- turn knob
- edit done...boom

Unfortunately, for me, note length cannot be changed this way ( but it could have with a proper update ).

Also this usage is only good for monophonic sequences, but that's what I do.

 

Yes, NI already started to implement "editing note parameters" in THAT easy way (pitch, velocity, move note) but the last missing note parameter (note length) they implement in 1.8 on a different page - that makes no sense! The way NI started was very nice & intuitive, because of the visual feedback and almost everything could be editet directly in the step sequencer... why they left this way and implement note length more complicated as it has to be?

Sorry, but no one can tell me that the "new" way of editing notes is more intuitive than the "old" one.

 

I see what you are saying about step editing. I think they should add a way to adjust note length there too. But that does not take away the usefulness of the event select. Many never even use step mode. I like the way it is now other than I feel they should add the increment buttons so you can select the next note even in Keyboard mode.

 

But this is because:

a) either the "Step" mode in Maschine was/is not intuitive enough
b) or a lot of Maschine users came from the MPC!

Look around on the hardware sequencer market worldwide...
The MOST of them have/are detailled STEP sequencers - and this has a reason!

 

I agree completely, the select stays, it has it uses ( i don't think i will use it much though ).

make this screen (below) happen and fix the step mode nudge bug? then i am a happy user...again
the benefits from the attached screen is that you can see the current stepvalue before turning the knob! ( and changing the value ) something not possible with the current stepmode.

Ok i think i'll shut up now about the whole thing and stop posting stupid screens ( until tomorrow.. )

 

The picture you show is the way it should have been implemented !

I am waiting so long for a proper step sequencer implementation, and now we got a half baked solution :angry:
For me its even useless.
A step sequencer makes only sense with lightning fast and intuitive workflow.

A main reason why i bought maschine was the step sequencer, with hope for better implementation in the future.

I think that NI doesnt see the success of the Electribes and Maschinedrums.

There are not only hip hop musicians which buying maschine.

 

i dislike this solution, too. hold the pad/note and see immediately the note values (and change them) should be the way to do it... and it already was nearly like this!

like now it is too complicated for a hardware solution.

 

Step editing is so sloooow.. I agree with the above!
I really hope this and swing note repeat get sorted out soon.. this has been going on for a long time.
It should be so easy to put in a step with the length,note and velocity then move on to the next one..
I am considering moving to Cirklon or Rhizome because of this

 

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