Notes on KOMPLETE 8 for users of KORE 2 / KORE 2 PLAYER

Hi,

Please see below for the first helping of information on using Kore 2 with Komplete 8.

This is copied from the Knowledge Base entry found here.

Thanks for everyone's patience during this process. Doubtless there will be many questions - it would be most useful for me if posts in this thread only contain relevant questions. If you have thoughts you'd like to share or discuss please use one of the other relevant threads.

Thanks everyone.

 

Thanks, Keir.

Unless I'm missing something, this can be summed up as 'no problem' then? As long as you have Komplete 7 or individual products and then you apply updates, all is well if I'm reading this correctly? If so, a big 'Phew!' all around

One question - will the Kore Browser still work as it always has if I buy and install Komplete 8? I know that all the presets should show up in Maschine once 1.7 is installed, but will Kore still do it too? The knowledgebase doesn't mention this at present.

Edit - just re-read your post and it does seem to indicate that the browser works aside from Reaktor which needs the Kore update. Sorry for my eyeball - brain interface not keeping up....

 

Thanks Keir,

The specific use case that is described that will not work after installation of Komplete 8 - Does this also apply to the Komplete 7 versions of the common instruments after the scheduled update to them takes place? I ask this question in the context of the Komplete 7 instruments being sold as Kore ready.

Many thanks

 

"You can still load and use all KoreSounds that are visible in the KORE 2 / KORE 2 PLAYER browser after the installation of KOMPLETE 8. This means you can load all KoreSounds you had in the browser before, only excluding those based on REAKTOR, until the KORE 2.1.3 update. After the update, all your KoreSounds are usable again."

So, in other words...Yes, no problem, yet it took weeks and thousands of posts to answer this. Fail.

 

Great news! My Maschine and Kore are going to make love tonight

 

Ok thank tou

 

Well, I think NI should fix that point. I'm glad for Komplete 8 buyers that the other plugins will load though. I'm not upgrading, I'm not planning to make koresounds for everything.

 

Very good - this is pretty much what I was hoping for

 

Keir, I read it three times now and it doesn't answer the most burning question.

It says now that the new presets cannot be loaded from the Kore browser.

But as far as we understand Kore, we cannot open the presets even from the Absynth, FM8 or Massive browser running in Kore because the engines will be an older version.

People that still consider upgrading to Komplete 8 need to know if they can at least add these presets to Kore's library by opening the vst, loading the new preset and saving it as a koresound, you see.

Is that going to be fixed?
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What were you afraid of then?

 

The worst case scenario, which was that NI had not made it possible to continue to use the K8 versions of the 3 problematic engine plugins until maybe they got updated to the next full versions - I thought it unlikely though (as I said) but knew it would require some changes in how they function in Kore as plugins (and not as engines).

Basically it looks like you save Massive (etc) ksd's the same way as you save them for say Alchemy or any other third party plugin. So they must have ensured the external plugin version is what will show in the menu now rather than the engine version (or something along those lines).

 

clear as mud

 

It doesn't answer much.

Please provide some technical insights.

Ah, forget it, I forgot about the limited support...

 

xD @ dayjob111 & Tabsel

@ Kymeia; where are they saying it is the new, updated, external plugin version that loads? It says you can still load them as vst's but not which one loads
You can also load them as vst's now, but it's always the engine. I'm afraid we'll have to wait for Keir to come back after the weekend to answer that.

 

That is referring to the K8 versions - obviously not the K7 engine versions which we have already been told do not update to those versions (the 2.13 Kore release will bring them all up to the final ksd compatible versions)

 

Oops, sorry Keir, this thread is only for questions. Kymeia, let's continue at KVR

 

you can continue the thread here, we all want to know more details...

 

Are you able to explain to me why it matters which engine version loads? I'm not getting at you here, just trying to better understand what the problem is with internal vs external engine. I don't know if I'm the only one here who gets very confused on this point regarding Kore? It's just from my re-reading of the OP by Keir I think he's saying:-

1. The browser still works and all the Kore sounds you used to have will still be there and work a treat. Exception is anything that uses Reaktor, for that you have to wait till the Kore update. Once that update is applied, absoultely everything you can do now you'll be able to do with the K8 products.

2. If you open up Kore and load instances of any of the K8 products, you can create a new Koresound which will still open in Kore so we should see no difference vs what we do now. All will be well with the world.

3. If you open up any of the K8 engines OUTSIDE of Kore and create a sound, Kore won't see it.

So, as long as you do everything in Kore (which is what everyone here wants, right?) then no worries.

I am, as ever, willing to be put straight on my thoughts if anyone can tell me the error of my ways

 

This is the part that needs to be clarified.

Because it may contradict the second part depending on how you interpret it.

In the first part, it says that you will not be able to load presets made with the new versions of the synths in Kore. The second part says that you can not load those presets through Kores browser. It would make sense that the presets made with the new synths outside of Kore would not show in Kores browser since it is a new format. So if I am reading it correct, after the next Kore update there will be full compatibility and no restrictions other than presets in the new format not showing up automatically in Kores browser.

If it meant that you could not load a new Massive preset made with the new version after loading Massive as a VST in Kore, that would not make sense and would be contradictory. If it is already stated that you can load the new versions of the synths as VSTi inside Kore (just like any third party) then why would you not be able to then load the synths own presets? This needs to be clarified.

 

Question for Keir:-

The OP states that you have to have earlier engine versions installed prior to installing K8 and then it will work. No problem as I have Komplete 7.

I've just ordered K8 Ultimate. Do I need to apply all the patch updates to the K7 products and THEN install Ultimate, or can I just install Ultimate and it will be fine?

Apologies if this is a silly question..... I THINK the K8 versions of the products are the same as the versions of the K7 updates but this needs clearing up for me before Ultimate turns up.

Thanks

 

Yes, this has to be made clear!

Nevertheless, NI send us all into this hassle.

And which update to any of NI products will finally break Kore kompletely, without further updates to Kore itself?