Numark NS7 / NSFX / V7

Yes is a very good talk.

When you have a combination of a reliable/solid performance Computer and software then timecode becomes as reliable as any music source, the best and currently only example is the S3700, its internal timecode is flawless (see below for my commentaries on it)

At the begging that was the idea that HID/midi as you mention will be the future but what we see is a constant struggle to support the most basic feature of DJing the "spinning platter".

The MIDI was a join effort of the industry to establish it as a standard and they did since 1983, later every company developing DJ software added MIDI as a way to interact with the DJ hardware and guess what it works 100% because its a standard, with HID is different, there is no such effort or standard, every HID device is different that's why you see ridiculous waiting times to support DJ devices in DVS software or no support at all.

That's why timecode could be such standard, it will not be up to the DVS software company if a new Deck platter is supported or not, it will be up to the hardware company, all they have to do if they are developing moving platters is add internal timecodes, and keep using MIDI for everything else like buttons, knosb, etc.

At the end timecode or HID needs to be decoded/translated into the software, the big difference is that timecode is there by design since the beginning of DVS.

Yes but they don't get it.

The main problem is that every company in this game even with partnerships are in competition, so at the end they will go in the direction they feel is best for them.

It is perfect!

I don't know what this guys did but they nailed it, zero or humanly undetectable latency, just like the NS7 and itch.

The platter feels awesome, its heavier and powerful letting you feel so much in control than a 7 inch, the extra inches made all the difference, it's the first spinning platter that truly made me feel as if I was handling a 12" or Turntable.

Your only drawback is the size of the screen for songs/folders list and searches, only two songs/folders at a time, but if you use DVS then you'll have your laptop screen for that.

But I have two other Denon decks with 7" inch platters and they are also super enjoyable, as well as an NS7 I use with a friend for mobile gigs.

I was also full of doubts and questions, etc., so what I did was bought only one S3700 to do my testing and I was sold!

As I stated above the S3700 HYBRID mode is perfect with SSL and Traktor, but also perfect with CD and USB, I haven't test MIDI mode because none of the software I use (SSL or Traktor) support spinning plater in that mode, I'll have to wait until the new RPM update which I was inform that it will support the pinning platter with out any glitch.

 

@ Charles

Thanks for the informative response.

My reference to timecode being glitchy probably wasn't clear, I meant that using vinyl and timecode is always a problem for me and also for MANY different DJ's I know that use it.

Re: hardware etc. as you can see my hardware is very high end, I have also been using Traktor in various forms for approx. 7 years so know it inside out, I'm using the software/hardware correctly but the vinyl medium is unreliable for so many reasons, hence my kingdom for a full midi spinning platter?

There must be thousands of DJ's out there that have the same issue and want the same solutions, doesn't that spell CASH for the money minds behind the digital DJ business?

Thanks on the S3700 by the way, think I'm gonna get one to test this week, my only gripe with this unit is the platter torque is a little weak for my liking as I'm used to Stanton STR8150's + I find the surface controls a little wobbly/weak.

Peace

 

Yes timecode with Vinyl can be tricky for some, personally I felt right at home with it, the only problem is when the needle gets dirty it will affect the timecode signal, only then is when I start to see problems, all I do is clean it up and gets fixed.

Well to be fair they are delivering great products with great quality, a good example is the NS7+itch, it's just this small technical barrier (spinning platter with HID/MIDI/Timecode/HYBRID/No standard) that is preventing to close the circle of the digital DJ transition.

In my case I found it perfect as it is, the torque is adjustable but it will be different for someone else, some users have found the original slip mat too slippery so they go with Glowtronics that supposedly has more friction.

The controls also are just fine for me, in my case I like them better than hard plastics, if you are going to get one do it before the end of december so you can get advantage of the 100 dls mail in rebate, try uniquesquared dot com they have them for 699 or their ebay store they have some units on sale for less that 650.00

 

With all the debating you guys are doing have anyone noticed that Stanton has their platters working with Traktor?

 

Yes we have mention that and its great, but remember it is done with a software in-between the Deck and Traktor, not direct like HID, also there are reports that scratching is not tight like the NS7+Itch or the new HYBRID mode in the DN-S3700+SSL/Traktor/Torq

What we are discussing in reality is the problems DJ software companies have to deliver once and for all support for spinning platters in a way we users don't have to wait for years or never see it at all for our decks.

Some see the HID as the answer but so far it haven't proof to be the solution, mainly because there is no standard and surely because of the great amount of developing time needed to support currents and future Decks, others like me see HYBRID (Timecode+MIDI) as a possible solution to end this problem.

 

I feel you... I'm currently using bomes with my current Traktor/V7 setup and I love it... The only issue I currently have is platter control but I'm 70 % complete... I have the platters starting and stopping... once I figure out a few more things I'm in it to win it.

 

@ DJ Urkel Dee

For info, I purchased the Stanton SCS1D a few weeks back (based on all the video clips and 'bigging up' on the forums) and thoroughly tested the unit, the platter performance was an improvement to the first time I tried the unit a few years back but was IMO still sub standard. I am a Stanton fan having STR8150's for years so really wanted the unit to work for me but it didn't so I sent it back for a refund.

Here are my detailed posts on the subject:

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92509&page=3


NOBODY had any response on the Stanton forums - that says it all !


Cheers
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Cool thanks again dude.

 

how do i become a member cuz it would b awsome if i can use traktor…. also where can i get a download r sumthin 4 a mac…. THX

 

Hi Quartz,

I'm having an issue with the headphones monitor fader on the boards. On Traktor, I have the Monitor Mix mapped to the on board switch, however I can only fade deck b in and out, deck a stays constant in my headphones.

Have I mapped this incorrectly?

Thanks so much
SLiK

 

I just received my V7 and I must said that's a good peice of hardware for scratching. I've been using it with ITCH for two days and it's pretty OK but I would love to have a good native support for my TSP settings (with audio 8 DJ sound card).
I've red in that topic that some guys made a setup file for the V7 but I can't find the file.
Also I can't download the last NS7 file from Dj Quartz' Sasktel media locker page and can't even reach Dj Quartz homepage.
Do you if there's some fresh news about that (I'm on the FB group and I have sent a message to Numark).
Cheers and thanks for the hard community work.
Ps: If someone needs some testers I'm always down with that and I know a bit about Midi CC and HID.

 

@DJ Urkle Dee : I don't believe you'll ever be able to achieve acurate control with MIDI...the resolution simply isn't there (IMO).

 

Precisely, it cannot be achieve solely by MIDI alone.

Yeah sorry guys my page is down for the time being, but all I had up there were the TSI files which are available here anyway.

Traktor will require a code update in order to support the platters properly. There is some work behind how the platters work.

What I do know is Numark plans to release an official midi map in the near future which was info direct from Numark.

There is too much up in the air info about the whole confirmation about supporting the unit or not, hence why I haven't said too much in the last while.

If someone would like to host the the NS7 files for a short period until I get my site back up, please let me know.

I'm hoping to have my site back up soon.

 

So looks like TORQ 2.0 handles pretty well the platters of the NS7 and V7, still not as tight as Serato ITCH but pretty darn close. So if Avid could do it why NI has not done it?, i still believe this is pure politics and not in their best interest.

 

+1

 

odyssey makes some good equiptment

 

So I plugged in the NSFX bar to try to start mapping that, and all of a sudden the Deck B platter started moving. I was able to program it so that both platters move according to deck b (with no scratching ability) - basically just for show at this point.

I'm not sure how to leverage the Modifier to change it so that Deck A controls its own platter.

SLiK

 

There is a lot of modifier and mappings to do in order to fix that. If you go a couple posts back you will see the TSI you can use with 1.2.2+

You won't be able to scratch though because it doesn't store the mappings correctly that trigger the scratch on mode to allow the spindle message to control playback.

 

Hey DJ Quartz,

Yes I noticed the lack of scratching function, however that's not detrimental to the set up. However we used the laptop and reloaded the Mixdeck, then reloaded our mappings again after that and the platters have since stopped. Suffice it to say, DJ Gits isn't all too impressed

Do you know anything I can do for the head phones, its still either channel A or channel B, and doesn't blend them.

SLiK

 

Any new information at all on this topic? I know quite a few people (Including myself) who would absolutely be purchasing TSP if there was native V7 support. Even just a hint about it from Native Instruments would be great!

 

Don't expect anything soon!
I'll cover ctrld's workaround (using timecode) in detail on my blog after my US-gigs this month.