Official Petition - Reaktor as a Rack Extension!

Hi folks,


As you are no doub taware now, today the folks at Propellerhead brought an end to their "no 3rd parties" policy for Reason.

The new dig is that Props will open their SDK to developers from other companies.

So this is the "we the undersigned" asking for Native insturments to develop Rack Extension versions of Reaktor and Kontakt, and probably Absynth too. Oh yeah, Maschine too if you can manage it although it might be a little pointless as Kong is already there, your call on that one I guess.

Leave comments below and lets get this show on the road.

I would also happily volunteer to help with any library modifications which would be required to bring the new ensembles up to speed with the PH rear CV panel thingy. Seems like it would be a pretty easy mod for Reaktor once the parts were built.

Sign here folks.........

 

I totally agree. I believe NI's Komplete 8 suite would be incredibly useful inside Reason 6.5. I believe Propellerhead announced the rack extension SDK would be free to all developers to get on the Reason bandwagon.

Do us a favour and just do it!

 

i would love to see this.

problem is, it seems like the UI stuff is pretty restrictive right now.

i would way rather see reaktor 6, too. only so many resources to go around and all...

 

add a +1 to this, reason was cool and all, but its too restricted and I stopped using it a few years ago, I would much rather see the props open the box on reason and sell it as a VST/AU plugin pack.

If I could buy reason and use all the instruments and FX as just instruments and FX without the rewire limitations (No track freezing in your DAW - you must record manually) or the reason rack format, I'd buy instantly.

I know reason does audio now but for me its too little too late, I moved on to Digital Performer several years ago, and I'll never look back.

the props are just too far behind the rest of the market place with their closed in system.

I would much rather see a reaktor 6 than a reaktor for reason, and I would much rather see reason break out of its own boxed in nature and become available as a plugin pack.

 

+1

 

Propellerheads is the only music software company more stubbornly regressive than Image-Line. I thought that IL was comically reactionary when encountering requests for feature enhancements, but the Props take it to a whole new level. It's only in, what, the last year, that they added audio recording? And only now they're adding plugins? And the industry press is acting like this is some kind of revolutionary advance? "Fred Flintstone to wear shoes in car: hailed as technological quantum leap"

 

Now I hope Native Instruments come out with a DAW. Rack Extensions is stupid. The sequencer in reason is horrible IMO. "the props are just too far behind the rest of the market place with their closed in system."
I agree with that. Dumb post, when their is no reaktor 6.

 

They did! It's called Maschine. They just need to add audio tracks. It already samples, hosts plugins and has a live mode.

 

Your joking right?

 

Well... slightly, yes.

But it does have a lot of underlying technology they could leverage to build a full fledged DAW in the future.

 

There are so many things that Reaktor needs more than this. It would be a huge mistake IMO.

 

I understand that some do not want it, but the purpose of the thread is to get a show of hands from those who do.

To say that it is a stupid idea is well, stupid really. Progression is never stupid, and in this case it looks like it's progression the way it should have been done 10 years ago but wasn't.

Just one other factual correction, and that is that Audio was introduced in Record just short of 3 years ago, but thanks anyway
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On the other hand it could be a huge mistake to look back at a missed opportunity.
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LOL! - Gotta love Conservatives, thanks for always being easy to laugh at.
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When did you stop using it, what year? besides if you don't ever want to use it again, then this post has very little to do with you.

 

What would be the point in that?
A show of hands is completely meaningless if you don't know how many people didn't put their hands up.

Only a minority of Reaktor users use the forum regularly. So to get a remotely representative idea of whether a feature is wanted or not, you can't just count up the yes votes. You have to look at the ratio of yes votes to no votes.

I think it's very unlikely to have any influence on what NI decide to do, but it's nice to know what the general feeling is on the forum about things like this.

 

personally i'd like to see something like reaktor in reason but different. imagine a set of tiny audio elements, oscillators, filters, envelopes etc, you could attach them using the back panel and save them in combinators as synths effects or whatever.

i don't think that NI is going to invest the resources in this, and i don't think that reaktor will port properly in it's present form. i might try to make some 'micro elements' for a project like this, i'll be applying to get in to the developer program sometime today.

 

+1

 

reaktor for reason - it'd be nice for reason users, but pointless for everybody else.

 

What might make more sense is Reaktor Player for Reason.

 

I'm thinking that the way to do it would be to have each reaktor instrument wrapped as an RE, and have a generic 2-in//2-out skin for user made effects, and a generic 2-out for user made instruments. This would be way less work than you would think, although the GUI's would all need some altering. The DSP code will not have to change though, and that alone makes this pretty viable.

From NI's point of view the bundled instruments with Reaktor alone would count as a massive incentive for all Reason users to buy Reaktor.

If Reaktor 6 is coming, then why not have it RE compatible from the start and open up a whole new market. If some people just want say Lazerbass, then let them have just Lazerbass via a Reaktor Player SDK, that they can then add Spark, Razor etc to.
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How many Reaktor users already have Reason? From what I've seen, quite a lot of them, although this is always going to be difficult to comment on.
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I would obviously want the full shebang, but an incremental start of offering RP to guage the sales potential vs development cost, prior to (all going well) a full implementation is perfectly acceptable.

 

The Rack extension is just another plugin format for NI to develop for and Propellerhead are giving out the SDK to developers for free. It doesn't affect NI customers on other DAWs, it just means Reason users can now expand their instrument/effects rack. That's it.

Doesn't matter how stubborn propellerhead were before about opening up their closed box system because right now, it's another untapped market for NI to get into and make some money! If reason users had access to NI instruments and FX in their rack they'd be buying tonnes of NI stuff!

If Reaktor or Komplete were released tomorrow in RE plugin format, I know half a dozen reason users off the top of my head who would be marching to the NI online store in a heartbeat.

 

Just an idea, no offense intended, but shouldn't propellorhead just offer VST support inside Reason? I am not a user since I dabbled with an adapted version years ago, but I believe it was already mentioned that another plug-in format might not be a good thing? Also I only know of this from this post so if the reason format is in someway of a higher quality or more features than the VST standard I apologize, if not please refer to the start of this post.