One MIDI CONTROLLER To control expander and kore 2

Hi to all! maybe I'm going to do a silly question!
I've got an edirol PCR M 80 and I'd like play kore 2 and Roland jv1080 with only this controller.
Now I can play the jv1080 only when kore 2 is off.
When kore 2 is on, I'm not able to play the jv.
There is a way to use the same controller to play (not together) kore 2 and roland jv 1080? or I've to use 2 controller?
Thanks to everyone who can help me.
Khenzo

 

Hook up the controller to the JV's MIDI in, and connect the JV's MIDI thru (not the JV's MIDI out) to Kore. Done.

ew

 

GREAT ew, it works! But can I able to send program change from kore 2 to jv1080? Is it possible? ThankS

 

Nope... not how you've got it rigged up. To be able to do that, either:

1) your controller would have to have a soft merge in it, where you can echo what would go normally to the thru port to the MIDI out with what would normally be there; or
2) use a multiport interface- most allow merging, or
3) get a hardware merge box

ew

 

Thanks EW.
Last question:
doing this ":hook up the controller to the JV's MIDI in, and connect the JV's MIDI thru (not the JV's MIDI out) to Kore. Done."
Kore 2 and jv1080 play simultaneously-
There is a way to play one and then the other?

 

Do you mean alternating notes between the two. Nope; it would be cool if you could do so...

ew

 

yes, alternating notes between the two... :-( .
I've got to use 2 controller? or there are other ways?

 

Confusing

Alternating? Thats crazy. The yami fb01 and various other crap would have even/odd modes so you can use more than one of them together for more polyphony.

I think whats being asked here is a more typical performing approach: use one master keyboard for kore and jv as tone modules. Sometimes you only want to play kore, sometimes you only want to play jv. There are multiple ways to do this and holding the equipment constant, fewer choices.

Actually the fact the jv thru works as a merger is a fluke - alot of modules won't do this. But to get from kore to the jv I would suggest another configuration - use Kore as the thru instead.

Of course, the kore controller only has midi in and out ports right? But internally kore is modular with midi and can merge midi to a common output.

*So instead go first from the master keyboard out to the kore midi input, then kore midi out to the JV (with cables).
*In your kore performance create an additional source channel for your JV. You audio midi settings for kore on the midi page should have check marks next to kore input port and kore output port.
*Set the source channel's midi input and output to the kore midi in and out respectively (channel midi outs are set to none by default). This creates a midi thru path from the kore midi in, to the kore midi out 'thru' that source channel. Now this channel can be addressed by kore, or externally from your master keyboard, passing all midi thru to the jv.
*Next add the following midi effects to your 'dummy' jv source channel in the following order top to bottom: Midi Filter/Transform/Program Change(or bank from toolpack). The midi effects in that order should give you full control over the jv status and channelization, and also be recallable from kore performance presets.
*In the kore performance preset editor, enable the reception of program change(so you can drive perfs preset recall with master keyboard program change). This will reserve program change for perf presets and filter them out from downstream source channels. That means you will actually be sending program changes to the JV from the midi effect in the JV source channel. Since you asked elsewhere about JV banks, for now stick to 1 user bank in your jv to avoid more programming in reaktor

This configuration should allow you to control the JV fairly well, using it stacked, split, or solo with kore sounds and not using any additional hardware.

For an advanced configuration you could send multiple midi channels to the JV to trigger many sounds at once. Here, I would create a nested kore sound in the source channel with midi in and out set to ALL, and then bust this out to 16 dummy channels inside; each with midi effects filter/transform/programchange to handle a channel within the jv performance/multi.

Blah! Anyhow, hope that helps. It should be a nice mobile rig when you are done and thats not too hard to setup.

-jonathan adams leonard

 

Thank you Mr jonathan adams leonard, You are the best
Now I'm going to try, I hope I will able to do!
Thanks again )

 

Hi Mr jonathan adams leonard, I've tried but it doesn't work.
You write:

*So instead go first from the master keyboard out to the kore midi input, then kore midi out to the JV (with cables). DONE MASTER midi out to kore midi in, From kore midi out to jv midi in all with midi cables

*In your kore performance create an additional source channel for your JV. You audio midi settings for kore on the midi page should have check marks next to kore input port and kore output port. DONE in the capture 2

*Set the source channel's midi input and output to the kore midi in and out respectively (channel midi outs are set to none by default)..... I do not find the MIDI OUT:capture 3

*Next add the following midi effects to your 'dummy' jv source channel in the following order top to bottom: Midi Filter/Transform/Program Change___ DONE : Capture 1

*In the kore performance preset editor, enable the reception of program change(so you can drive perfs preset recall with master keyboard program change....... I don't understand how to do it.... : capture 4

In this moment the jv1080 don't recieve midi signals from kore2.

Can you still help me? I appreciate very much.
Khenzo

 

Midi

You are looking for midi out in the wrong page: you have channel mapping open - close this. Instead look at the sound matrix where your channels are. Select the source channel - on the bottom of the matrix are the audio and midi tabs for the selected channel. The audio tab shows ins and outs for audio. The midi tab shows ins and outs for midi. Click on the midi tab and make sure there is a midi input assignment for the JV source channel, and a midi output assignment.

Also, you have the wrong page open for performance presets. Close the sound manager - you don't need to edit control pages or keyranges yet. Instead open the performance preset editor. The button looks like a box with dots in it. With this editor open at the top you will see a checkbox for program change.

How is that manual coming?

 

THanks! Sorry but my english isn't the best around .
NOW it works! IT's GREAT! the jv 1080 is perfectly integrated in the presets! My Notebook has not cpu at 85% anymore!
Now I've got a good machine for live gig!
THANKS THANKS THANKS JONATHAN!
You are a genius! ;-)
Khenzo

 

Bank

BTW I added a new bank koresound and ens that sends Bank MSB, LSB and program change all at once, to the Kore 2 Reaktor Toolpack. Since Roland gear uses these, you should be able to recall a program from any roland bank, from a performance preset.

Hope this helps,

jonathan adams leonard

 

I'm going to try, tomorrow I'll post news.
Many thanks for your work Mr Jonathan

 

Hi Jonathan, I've got the reaktor 5 demo version.
I've open the Bank , but changing Bank knob or Program Knob, in my jv1080 nothing happens but midi signals pulse for knob's moving.
The Previous version of bank let me change the program.
Maybe Am I making some error?
Thanks.
Khenzo

 

Performance Presets

Hi Khenzo, this one like the other is made to work on recall from the kore performance presets. The way the bank recall works with MSB and LSB is that they must sent in the right order. First MSB, then LSB, then the program. When you recall a perf preset that uses this, it will send out all three and I built in delays to enforce the order. Just turning knobs at random will not have a consistent effect - they must be coordinated in order as happens during recall from a perf preset. To audition a recall, you could simply set the values in the right order, or make a perf preset. To know what values to send, you have to refer to your modules' midi documentation related to bank recall. I was able to find roland manuals on the web.

I could have included a single button to trigger all three, but the point here is to work with the performance presets - which should recall them ok.

Hope this helps,

jonathan adams leonard