Only 64 patterns per group?

Greetings,

Got Maschine a few days ago (great!), so maybe I'm missing something, but I'm wondering if there's a way to get more than 64 patterns per group?
I can obviously duplicate a group to double my pattern quota, but CPU load will double too, so that's not the best way to do this.

I could also (probably?) merge different composed patterns into 1 big pattern, but this would result in a "locked" beat (no way to rearrange merged patterns easily).

Then I can auto-sample patterns, but I'd prefer to stay in MIDI land for the most part since Maschine is not a complete production tool for me, but more a way to compose and then export everything in Cubase.

64 patterns per group is really not that much for a track when variations are created on every measures... How are you dealing with this?

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Sorry for my English.

 

Why don't you create a pattern in Maschine, drag & drop it into Cubase, and clear the pattern again? You only need one pattern that way, not 64.

 

Yes that's a solution, but not my preferred way of working.

I'd like to be able to create a complete track structure (rhythmic parts) in Maschine, because I really enjoy its tactile interface. Editing in Cubase is OK, but at a different (more advanced) stage in my composition process.
I no longer want to create beats with a mouse and Maschine was the solution for me due to its hands on control and software integration.

I think I'll duplicate groups for now so I can get 128 patterns which should be enough most of the time. There should be a more efficient way though.

Comments welcome on your way of dealing with that.

 

not much help, but just want to ask that you let people know what kind fo music you're doing so that they have a better idea of the direction your going with your pattern needs

peace

 

Maybe make longer patterns? 64 x 4 or 8 bar patterns makes for a pretty lengthy song...

I agree with theinvis though, cause in my normal use of Maschine, I'd never have close to 64 patterns per group. It would be a nightmare to keep track of them all too

 

Right click on group and scroll down to pattern bank. you have 4 banks, A B C D, all 64 scenes long.

I make my beats in 8/16 bars, & I've never gone over 16 scenes for a five mintue song. I could never imagine ever needing more the 64 scenes unless every scene was 1 bar long.

If my drum group is 16 bars I can have other groups of different size (eg. 4 bar synth loop would repeat 4 times). Most movement is songs is on the 4s: 4, 8, 16, 32, 64... So I make the drum pattern the biggest with change ups on the 4s. This way I'm not dealing with a huge number of scenes. if you want a sound to kick in half way through the 16 bar beat, make a 16 bar pattern with an empty first 8 bars.

Hope this helped.

 

Yep thanks theinvis, you're right.

Abstract/industrial are my influences.
For me, this means a lot of work and experimentations on the rhythms + "extreme" sound design. Loops, factory presets, factory patterns are not my friends.

 

you can make a pattern 256 bars long BTW

256 X 64 X 4 = HUGE!

 

Yes, I like to create 1 or 2 bars patterns and that's why 64 is not a lot for me. This way I can experiment a lot and find the best "chaining". That's why 4 bars patterns (or more) would be too long as I'd lose flexibility (not sure if you guys get what i mean... hum)

 

Same here, but Maschine's sequencer can't be fully operated mouse free either (adjusting note lengths for example).

I've accepted that there's no perfect setup for me at the moment, so working with a mouse doesn't frustrate me now as much as it did a short while ago. I mainly use the mouse for selecting and muting I guess. Other frequent operations I can do with key commands and my BCF2000.

 

copy & paste

 

Absolutely.

As I said earlier, editing with the mouse is not a problem for me, I just can't stand beat creation with just a mouse and a computer keyboard.
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What do you mean?

 

There's nothing that says you can't use the same pattern in numerous scenes, and you have 64 scenes...

ew

 

never mind

 

Yep, sure ew.
But if I need say 80 *different* patterns on group A?

 

64 scenes right? 4 banks of 16?

 

You mean patterns, not scenes right?

 

Both, actually. To the best of my knowledge there's 64 of both. I just wanted to clarify because of ew's comment.

 

Which means duplicating say group A to group B won't help in getting more patterns since there are "only" 64 scenes...

On a side note, the ability to also rename patterns would be useful.

 

If I'm understand correctly ,working in Cubase why not set up Maschine so that each Group outputs to a midi channel. That way Group A ,for example , can have as many patterns on midi tracks as you want. Just arraange so that 1 part on a track is playing at a time. You can still use the pads on Maschine to record your beats directly into CB amd you have 8 midi channels to work with.