Oscillators in Reaktor bandlimited?

hi all...
I have a question I cannot get answered very clear;
are all basic oscillators in Reaktor bandlimited?

I ask this because I tried to create the same harsh FM sound from Max/MSP but I couldn't really succeed in doing that..
Because for that really harsh kind of FM synthesis I would prefer not to have bandlimited oscillators..
For VA I can understand, but not for FM..

Any of you have thoughts on this matter?

thanks..

 

anyone?

would be of great help..
thanks..

 

try using the core LFO modules, those probably wont even be interpolated (go in corecells -> control).

 

thanks.. will have a try..

 

Robin Davies has uploaded fast and accurate sine generators to the UL. There are several threads reflecting on this subject, which might also help.

 

i think he wants the opposite, though, meaning no bandlimiting.

 

exactly..

I want to have the same FM 'harshness' in Reaktor that max/msp can have...
But for some reason I cannot recreate that in Reaktor..
Did some reading, here, and other resources online,
and found out that the basic osc's in Reaktor are bandlimited..
My limited FM knowledge says that is not a wanted feature..

I must say that I'am a bit comparing apples and oranges here
because the SimpleFM msp object that can create beautiful harsh FM seems to use a lookup table, so cannot really compare it to a basic sine in Reaktor can I?
Would I be better of with sampling a non bandlimited sine wave and use that as an osc?

@kid_sputnik
can you elaborate a bit on your core lfo suggestion?
use a lfo as an osc?

thanks..

 

well, the corecell LFOs are audio output, so they are basically oscillators. LFOs are just oscillators with really low frequency, anyways, unless you use the event based ones in reaktor (you CAN use the normal oscillators as LFO,s though). i said to use those because i dont think they are interpolated, although i can be wrong. to make theme have a pitch and FM control, add an event input to the cell, and connect a F to P macro there, then add this with the normal audio F input in the core layer (make sure the P input is in event mode to avoid really high CPU!).

 

what about using an audio table with a short sine waveform loaded in? if you used a basic enough sine, with the least amount of samples you can manage, you could get close to the max/msp sound most likely. the thing about the msp sine oscillator is that its an interpolated 512 sample wavetable.
or in core you could try loading such a basic sine into an array or something, then try and steal a basic interpolater from another core macro?

 

thanks all for the help..
I will give this a try then..

is there maybe an ensemble from the UL that could give me a bit of a jumpstart?

 

In essence I think I want to recreate the wavetable sine oscilator from max..

anyone knows if there is such an attempt in the UL?