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Pattern/Scene question

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by Mulrat69, Nov 20, 2013.

  1. Mulrat69

    Mulrat69 New Member

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    So I've had maschine for about a month now and have a question about patterns and scenes. I did search but couldn't find the exact answer:

    I have put together the beats for a song and arranged all the patterns in scenes blah blah. anyway - I wanted to have 1 pattern that ran along all of the say 6 scenes where I can just play in some synth or piano or something (maybe just to jam along to it and see if something sounds good) and then automate some filters etc. If my song is say 3 minutes long and I make a new group and add the synth there - when I add the pattern it obviously stretches the scene to the length of the long pattern.

    Unless I'm missing something - it's not possible to have a single track that will run across all 6 scenes - would I have to just bounce the whole lot into a daw as audio and do it like that?

    Just wondering if there was a work around or if it doesn't exist.

    Thanks!
     
  2. yavuzj

    yavuzj Forum Member

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    are you usıng maschıne 2.02 or 1.x
     
  3. Mulrat69

    Mulrat69 New Member

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    Hi, 2.02 with Mk2 controller.
     
  4. balletryne

    balletryne NI Product Owner

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    Hi all,
    I want to add some life into this thread. I have some similar problem. I have a pattern which is 4 bars, lets say its a drum-beat. I want to create some guitar, which would start lets say halfway in the third bar of the drum pattern. For some reason I need to create a new pattern for this guitar sequence. So now I will have two patterns within a scene. The drum pattern with 4 bars, and the guitar pattern which starts halfway in the third bar of the drum pattern. The problem is that the guitar pattern will not end before the drum pattern ends, which will make the scene "longer" and I will have a problem because if I adds another pattern, lets say another drum patterns after the initial drum pattern, the whole process will keep extending the scene. I feel like I cant get a pattern go "across" the scene-limit, which is a real hazzle for me right now.

    Hope I made my problem understandable:) And really hope to get some input around this.

    I use Maschine 2.0 and M-Studio.
     
  5. Kralnor

    Kralnor Forum Member

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    If I'm understanding correctly, I'd create a pattern with the first part of your guitar phrase starting partway through bar 3 or whatever, then create a pattern with the second part of the guitar phrase starting at bar 1 of that pattern, and arrange them one after another in 2 scenes.
     
  6. balletryne

    balletryne NI Product Owner

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    Yes, seems like that. Been studying the manual and cant see any other way. Thanks for your reply!
     
  7. theinvis

    theinvis NI Product Owner

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    I don't envy your situation that is for sure, please ask this on the on the record thread, the devs need to see just how counter-musical this workflow is.
     
  8. robertge

    robertge NI Product Owner

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    Yep, I struggled with this when trying to line maschine up with my DAW. I think that having scenes with an arranger/timeline view may be fundamentally flawed. Is it possible to have both without situations like this? Scenes should probably behave more like markers.
     
  9. balletryne

    balletryne NI Product Owner

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    The sequencer in Maschine is the one thing which really ruins the whole attempt to use Maschine as a DAW. Only allowed to have one pattern/clip from one group in a scene, the repeating (without options to turn it off without leaving it empty for several bars until it reaches the end of the scene). I could go on and on about the sequencer. Its so bad. It limits the freedom of creating the actual music, since one have to focus on how thing will puzzle together without making a mess in the arranger.

    This needs to be fixed as soon as possible. Truly amazed that they dont see this. To hell with all other technicalities, this should be prioritized.
    Dont mean to sound like a dickhead, am just tired after a long day work, followed by a whole evening struggling with the Maschine.
     
  10. balletryne

    balletryne NI Product Owner

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    Just read in the Record Session that the submission of questions were due to today, so Im abit late. Saw anyhow a question regarding the sequencer.

    Heres the question which was asked:

    "Are there any plans on Developing Maschine into a full DAW like Cubase?
    So far, the sequencer options are rather limited, will this be improved?"

    This was the answer:

    "We are working on taking Maschine's sequencing capabilities to the next level. At the same time, we don't want to compromise Maschine's creative immediacy. Therefore, any new features will be implemented to seamlessly fit in with the groove production-oriented workflow of Maschine."

    As much as I like the positive attitude of the answer, Im not sure he understands how limiting the sequencer is. So the whole Groove production-oriented workflow is not as it could be since the whole sequencer limits the groove creation:)

    Needs to be fixed. Improved. Changed. Developed. Whatever.

    Ok, enough of my whining now..
     
  11. theinvis

    theinvis NI Product Owner

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    a travesty.