Please don't tell me that you can't load MP3's inside Kontakt

What the hell is going on. Why can't you load MP3's inside Kontakt. Its the most common AUDIO format What are these developers thinking, I'm starting to get the impression that the devleopers are lazy.


Here is a feature suggestion. MP3's should be a loadable/recognizable format to kontakt.


****GOOD GREIF**** Just thinking about the amount of things you CAN'T do with kontakt just gives me a headache. "You can't do this and you cant do that"

 

Man calm down, what's your friggin problem?

 

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Why would you want to use a lossy format for professional sampling?

It's not at all a common format for samples...

Can you give an example of what mp3 support would enable you to do that you can't currently do? Is there a particular sound library that you want to use which comes in mp3 format?

 

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Lossy compressed audio files should not be used in a sampler.

 

Because when you purchase songs off of I-tunes that is the format that it comes in.

What the.............. Okay here is the deal, I sample a lot(I mean a lot)

Lets take Frank Sinatra for example. I want to sample some of his songs, so I go on I-tunes buy the MP3's. Its the most common audio format especially for samples

Allow me drag n drop and chop up my samples nice quick simple and easy. NO WORKAROUND
One of the things that I find with using kontakt is that there are a lot of workarounds that are just not necessary. I'm still shocked that you still can't drag n drop wav samples into kontakt from other programs. What's up with that.

Actually there was a sound library which I have which contains MP3's

Uuhhhhhhhh................... I guess that's your opinion. I guess this would be the same as saying High quality Wav files should not be an option for consumers who purchase songs on I-tunes. Please show me a rule book where it says "Lossy compressed audio files should not be used in a sampler" because if I am mistaken last time I checked most of the songs/records on I-tunes are Mp3's.

 

The last time I checked, buying a track from iTunes doesn't give you a license to sample it. What you're describing is illegal.

 

Bingo.

 

Legalities aside, MP3 support in Kontakt would not help you one bit, as the audio format of files in iTunes is AAC.

 

Yeah, and let's abolish Bitcrushers.

 

So the idea is that Kontakt would need to run MP3 decoding on the samples during playback for some really stratospheric CPU usage figures? Not sure if any developer would agree with you on the feasibility of this concept.

By the way, you can export any track from iTunes in WAV or AIFF format.

 

What Thomas says is true - decoding MP3 on the fly per-voice would not be CPU effective at all. Use wavs and be done with it.

Besides, what you described is illegal.

 

I guess the files would undergo a conversion first before being usable. Like with any other sampler format.
Is sampling in itself illegal? Even, if you use a track and it becomes something new in your arrangement and it is not identifiable as this particular original song anymore? And if so, how are the lawyers or anyone supposed to find out?
I'm not talking about sampling as a way of stealing a song here.

 

Not to get too OT, but yes, what you describe would actually be illegal.

Whether it could be successfully taken to court is a different matter, because of the difficult burden of proof. All the same, copyright violation is a moral issue as well as a legal one. Not that the law and morality necessarily coincide!

Of course if the source material were released under a creative commons license that allowed sampling and/or the creation of 'derivative works', then what you describe would be totally fine.

By the way, the mp3 format requires (and therefore adds) a small delay to the start of an audio file, which could also be problematic for use in a sampler. Assuming the material is being used legally, it sounds like what the OP would find more useful is Ableton Live, because of how it quantises the playback of audio files on the fly (including mp3s - although I think it may still decompress them to a temporary directory).

 

Sampling isn't illegal, unless you publicly release the final product without written permission from the copyright owners / authors of the original material (also called: clearing).

 

Okay........... so................. are you implying that it would be to hard to code kontakt to accept MP3's.

I can't believe all you guys. You have not a clue of what your talking about. nilesp is right, it is only illegal(This is not even the correct term. The correct term is COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT) when the the artist/label receives some type of income off of the original material and publishes it(as his her own without permission) You guys are unbelievably completely off topic. I'm not talking about publishing music, I'm talking about importing MP3's into kontakt. In case you guys didn't know there are huge loop holes into copyright infringement where in most cases it is okay to completely sample a song and get away with it even if its copyrighted through the library of congress(but then again this is way off topic)

Please guys don't comment about something you know nothing about. What kills me is that you guys used the word illegal(Not even sure if you guys know what that means) which is not the right term to use for this subject matter.

WOW.......

[EDIT:] and if you guys are open minded and actually want to learn something research copyright infringement. You would be surprised at how many records have been published(especially with rap music) and how easy it is to get away with copyrighted material even if the material itself is copyrighted through the library of congress. Again I'm not here to argue with anybody, I am just giving a suggestion to Native Instruments for kontakt to accept MP3's since it is the most common audio format.

 

It probably wouldn't. But given that they would have to be decoded in realtime PER PLAYED VOICE, that would be tremendous parallel work for the CPU, and as such IT'S NOT EFFICIENT AT ALL!

I say no to MP3s in Kontakt. If you're so keen, just convert them to wavs and off you go.

 

Ha. The OP does not concern himself with the legal ramifications of his actions.

Just do a SEARCH and you will find that he has been trying to solicit a hacker to hack someone's forum account so that he can do god-knows-what.

Anyway back ON-TOPIC, EvilDragon is correct!

Whatever efficiency you gain from compressing the audio to mp3 would be lost at playback time with a HUGE CPU hit and probably unbearable latency as Kontakt tried to decode everything in real-time.

 

You have received some very reasonable replies in response to your not quite so reasonable posts, so I think it's time to show a bit more courtesy to the other forum members.

Please drop the aggressive attitude or your account will be suspended in the same way that it has already been banned over at KVR.

 

Ah yes -- thanks for the tip. I also just found a comment from him on another forum, 'How can having dynamics be useful?'.

I'm trying very hard not to rise to the bait about 'copyright infringement' not being illegal (since copyright is, er, a legal right in the first place, as well as a moral one); and contrary to what the OP claims, whether damages can be claimed (against someone's income) is irrelevant to whether something is illegal or not.

But anyway... I think the main point here is that although it probably wouldn't be very hard to code mp3 support into Kontakt, it just wouldn't be very useful, for the reasons several of us have given above.

 

Okay so back to my other main point, what you guys are telling me is that its too hard to code kontakt to accept MP3's(as I said before) by stating that Loading MP3's in Real-time is too much work for the CPU. So in other words its too hard to do, because I guess I am the only one in the world who would like to drag n drop MP3's into kontakt, so as long as there is only one then my opinion doesn't really matter.


What about drag n drop(like I suggested in my other topic but didn't receive as much replies as with this one) What about the ability to be able to drag n drop any format into kontakt like "REX files and soundfonts". Is this also not cpu efficient or would that also be too complicated to do. Why is it that you can drag n drop "EXS files" but not any other format?

Again off topic but since you went there, it would be nice to explain to me "how can dynamics be useful" because I'm still waiting on a answer and please show me a law/rule book where it says "All music should have dynamics in it". Because last time I checked there are no rules mixing(Or music production to be specific)