Please get rid of bank limit per ens

I just ran into the bank limit for Razor - hadn't even realised there was one before but I have so many banks for it now it won't let me add another. I suppose I could just make another ens version but I really like to have all my banks in the one place, why is there still such a limit? About time it was gone I think, maybe it served a purpose at one time but I can't see what the point is now.

 

how many Banks do you have?

sowari

 

17 so far and rising. While some could be combined and I could probably delete the "best of" bank anyway this is still an unsustainable strategy - it would be better if there were no arbitrary limits.

 

hmm, is this related to MIDI specs maybe?

 

Most of Reaktors limits and defaults are set because of MIDI. You have 16 MIDI channels, with 128 note and 128 cc messages. Each of these again have 128 levels. Not sure which signal Reaktor uses for arranging the snaps, but since it's limited to 16 banks of 128 snaps, I would guess they use one channel per snap bank.

 

MIDI 1.0 Detailed specification says:

 

that's a lot of banks! reaktor only uses the least significant hex digit maybe? seems an odd implementation.

 

Yeah, but then 9 of those are taken up by the factory banks, one of which is a "best of" and others have maybe 30-40 patches in. So I could consolidate or delete some but that's a short term solution really - eventually they will fill too and I will have the problem again.

btw is there any way to open two snapshot windows and drag drop between them to rearrange banks?

 

i meant the MIDI spec allowing 16,384 banks (2^14).

 

lol - yes that is, so why only 16?

 

I don't think so, however you could write a small ensemble that will copy a block of snaps from one bank to another.
A while back I wrote a module that 'breeds' two snapshot's and populates a bank with the children. It was fairly straightforward to manipulate snaps and banks using the snapshot module.
You would need two snapshot modules - source and destination, an iterator, and knobs to choose bank, first snap idx and last snap idx for source and destination. The only tricky part is setting up order modules to ensure that the correct stapshots go to the right place - the snap and bank input need to be set before sending an event to the store or recall inputs.

EDIT: since it's Christmas time, I threw this together for ya - "colB's copy shop"

First BACKUP YOUR ENSEMBLE!! in case it all goes pear shaped.
Then load the copy shop it into the top level of an instrument structure that you want to copy snapshots in (right click Macro->Load ...), You don't need to connect any wires. Now move the gui around so it doesn't overlap the existing gui.
After that, just follow the instructions, using the knobs to choose: source bank, first snap last snap, destination bank and first destination snap idx. When you're ready, just hit go. It should be pretty much instant. Then rinse and repeat.
When you've done all the copying you want to, delete the copy shop from the structure and save your ensemble.
Any questions, gimme a shout

good luck

Col

 

Just ran into this again, got another razor bank - really this limit is so outdated!

What's also annoying is it means I can't import the new snapshots into Komplete Kontrol either.

 

I would love to see this limitation removed too. For live use, we select a different bank for each song via midi, and snapshots within the bank for variations within the song. We'd probably never play more than 16 songs in a set, but it would be great to have quick access to more than 16 of them so I've got the choice, without having to load another bank up manually.

 

At least 128 banks would be nice...

But yeah, supporting the full number that MIDI standard allows would be awesome!

 

Oh well the way I've got round it for now is to keep the installed version for just the factory banks and created a user version where I deleted all the factory banks and just use it for my own patches and third party - but I would prefer to have them all in one place and sooner or later I can see the user version filling up too.

 

And another Razor bank out, same problem. About this NI got rid of this artificial limit.

 

Even though, I don't use Razor all that much, I know that my friend does and he will run into this problem soon, what with all the presets and banks he's been making..

 

As a work around it is possible to save snapshot banks, or save copies of the ensemble and have different Snapshot Banks in each copy.
Also this is a situation where using preset's can be handy, as there is no limits for the amount of presets as it's single files.

I agrea more Snapshot banks in a ensemble should be possible.

 

Yeah but presets don't appear in the dropdown menu and have an annoying habit of reloading a different version of the ensemble you are using. I like to save all my snapshots with one central ensemble that I use for all projects rather than have versions all over the place.

 

That's true.

When using Reaktor presets the presets allways in my experience wan't to load the original factory ensemble.

The preset's can be accessed thru Reaktors User tab. So one can both see the loaded file and select another easily.

I know some sound designerslike Pluginguru and Aiyn Zahev deliever sounds for Razor in preset format. Other sound designers also deliever in preset format for Reaktor ensembles.

But i also have a workflow i like to use, so i follow you Kymeia.

However if one have more Snapshots than a single ensemble can room, then my suggestions to save/ load snapshot banks when needed, save more ensembles with different snapshot banks or using preset's is a workaround as long more snapshot banks is'nt possible.
One can say . don't wan't to do that - and then be stuck with Reaktors limited Snapshot banks. That's the choice right now.

BTW - I can't see all those User designed snapshots for Reaktor ensembles in the User library.

Cheers