Please nice people at NI...please please please

Would it be possible to make a change to the way the hotcues work, so that when clicking on a hotcue that is setup as a loop, the loop actually activates ?

Its doing my head in, because i program a cue point in a track to be a loop, but i also want to play the track to start with so activate is switched off. Then I hit the hotcue for the loop which in my head is a loop and of course it plays from the cue point, like its a marker and ignores the loop and the track carries on into an area i don't want to play, because its not looping. Other times I load a track in that I just want to loop a small section using a hotcue, I've got to EQ it, probably set the key, maybe play with filters, sync it, check the other track, concentrate for the point to drop it in, and go.... and then arrrgggg.... it carrys on because loop is not activated.... arrrrrgggggg.... on a short 4 or 2 beat loop there's not enough time to catch the mistake, and there's too much to do to keep chasing up the software that's really not being very helpful or intuitive.

I think what is probably getting me thrown off, is the way the cues that are loops are displayed as loops even when loop is switched off. Perhaps the loop out part of the marker could go grey when activate is not on... something at least.... to stop the confusion.... its killing me....

When you've got 2 tracks already playing and youre concentrating to catch the beat, bar, maybe adjusting EQs and filters etc. and making the change to cue into a loop section, there is a lot to concentrate on. I really don't want to have to be hitting another button to activate the loop as well.

Also if you think into it logically, sure its nice to be able to jump to a hotcue that is a loop, but just use it as a cue, and not have it loop sure. But if those 4.8.16.32 beats repeat because you forget to switch the loop off first time around, its probably not going to ruin the set. But if what you assumed was a loop doesn't loop and carrys on further into the track you might get vocals coming in or a drop you don't want or all kinds of mess.

Make a preference for it, or leave it to the DJ to switch the loop off if he just wants to use the marker as a cue. But please don't have a cue point that is a loop and no automatic activation of the loop, its just constantly off putting and annoying. Its like only 1/2 a feature.

While you are at it, there's plenty of room for 16 or 20 hotcue cue points, could we have a few more ?

And also a guy posted a nice photoshop of the traktor GUI a few days ago, showing how the grid and cue tabs could be all merged into one. You should take a look at it, he beat me to it, he's got a real good point.

I know these things are starting to move into the realm of large changes, but at least the loop cue would be nice.... traktor pro 2.1 ? perhaps ? please please please ?

 

+1 for automatically looping a loop hotcue.

 

+ 1

 

Should be in feature requests but +1

 

+1

 

Yeah i'm waiting years for this function!

 

guess the workatound is quite easy....
simply map midi function loop actice set to on to each hotcue button.

that should do it.

cheers
chill

 

thanks chill that sounds interesting.....

is a keyboard a midi device ?

doesn't seem to work on the keyboard... i set modifier, "is in loop" value 1 and now the hotkey no longer works, and value 0 still works but still no loop...........

i also tried to set another key command to activate loop with the same key i use for the hot cue, beacuse it allows you to have more than one function for the same key. problem is you have either toggle, hold or direct. direct does nothing, hold turns loop active off when you let go of the key and toggle is no good either beacause when you are skipping back to the same cue hitting the button repeatedly to play the same loop again and again just 1-2 beats of course the loop active toggles on and off.

 

+1

 

+1 ... when "hotcueing" to a loop, it should really be a loop...

...and chill, otherwise a good suggestion, but most of my hotcues are not loops (and they might have predefined looping areas after them ... so, your suggestion, as far as it is quite a good one, doesn't always work

 

yes, i see what you mean, you don't want loop switched on because you hit any hot cue... but you want loop switched on when you hit a hot cue that is a loop, any work around doesn't work properly....

i just noticed another nice mess in the cue department.

in the old version 3 when you added a cue marker, it kept them numbered sequentially from start to finish of the track, renumbering all of them if you put new cues infront of old ones, this actually made the best sense to me.

now you can drop in cues wherever you like and the numbers remain....ok, might suit some people better and they can always be remapped... no biggie.... but the old feature is still in the drop down menu in the centre so that cue points numbers in the drop down menu are sequential to the arrangement of them across the track from left to right, and have nothing to do with the numbers of the hotcues you see in the track.... so you literally have to take shots in the dark or count them across to select a cue from the drop down... its a mess.....

it seems they put all their focus on development into the new S4 and the loop players, and to me this is a good idea, apart from no key feature in the loop players which makes them virtually useless to me.... and also.... people make alot of arguments on here about DJs not being producers, or DJs not needing DAWs .... and loop player is taking it towards a production tool and a DAW, far more than ideas of automation, sorting out the beat grid properly or other ideas that i have been shot down for on here.

DJs should in theory be mainly playing songs... pinching loops from songs is something different to having a loop player.... and the lazy man's DJ way to do that is with loop markers, not with recording a library of loops from songs and having a loop player that can only manage 1 minute clips. That is called a sampler. DJs that start playing sets with samplers are live performers not DJs.

In my mind a DJ that plays his set from loops on 8 loop decks and throws in the occasional track has moved into being a live electronic performer and not a DJ any more......

The marketing department has got ahead of the development department here I think..... alot of urgent software features for DJs have been left to blow in the wind, while traktor tries to broaden its marketing and appeal to a wider spectrum. Considering most DJs are still on CDs... Traktor leaving basic functions like cue points, in a mess was not a very smart move. Loop player is not going to make a guy quit CDs, but well organised cueing probably might.

I'll give NI a week of my time for free to sit down and clean up all of these little features, think into them and organise them properly. I'll even pay the programmers wages to fix them, because its tragic that these things are in such a mess.... and I really need them to work properly.

Oh btw. the fuzzy wave forms in version 2 have another flaw. When you had a clear drop or fill on the lower smaller wave form in version 1, you could click on it with the mouse and have the track jump seamlessly to the correct beat. Now its kind of fuzzy you usually miss it by a beat or 2.

 

Just map something to activate it? :S

 

+1

 

Hotcues work the way you program to... autoloop them as per here:

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137379

 

i will look into my mappin and tell you the correct command.

cheers
chill

 

I've linked to my how-to already, you set the 'loop active' to hold