Please post here! Don't make Kore a dongle!

"Hackers, HELP YOUR FELLOW MUSICIANS AND PRODUCERS AS WE ARE MAKING THE MUSIC YOU WILL WANT TO BE LISTENING TO NEXT SPRING???? NOT TO CHEAT ANYONE, AS i AM VERY GREATFUL TO N.I. FOR THIS ACCOMPLISHMENT IN SOFTWARE, BUT ONLY TO USE THAT WHICH WE OWN AS WE SEE FIT IN OUR WORKING LIFESTYLES, NOT THE WAY N.I. COMMANDS OF US TO COPE AROUND THEIR DEFENSIVE POSTURING.
PLEASE SOMEONE HACK US A HOLE THROUGH THIS B.S. I WILL PLEDGE TO PAY $25.00(us) VIA PAYPAL TO THE FIRST GUY WHO SUCESSFULLY DOES IT. ANY OTHERS MATCH MY BOUNTY? TO USE THE SOFTWARE WHEN AND HOW WE WANT?"

kerrlehr -

I can't see how promoting piracy is a solution to anything other than creating further stealing. If you were a successful artist, how would you feel if your "intellectual property" was splattered all over the internet for free and you received not a penny for your inspiration and hard work?

Issues such as these need to be worked out between customers and manufacturers and history shows that if a company doesn't satisfy its customers it eventually collapses.
Personally, I'm pretty disgusted with my recent Native Instrument experiences and I'll show my dissatisfaction by not purchasing further from them - not by encouraging media sluts to hack and cause sofware prices to go up.

Re-align.

Peace

 

Has this been fixed yet?

 

Yet another NI user warry about this dongle issue. I am a satisfied owner of most of past NI products. I planned to buy further NI products (Akoustic Piano and Kore) during a visit at the upcomming Paris Music fair (salon de la musique et du son) but will put those purchases on hold until NI revises its policies regarding Kore.
If NI wants to protect their sw with a dongle, that's their right . But they should do it in a way that the enduser can use existing technology like synchrosoft used by steinberg, arturia, ... so all protected sw can be authorized from the same small usb dongle.

As for their sampled piano I am currently very satisfied with alternative products, and start realizing that each and every product I bought from NI has at least one equivalent counterpart from competitors...

Sad to see how NI succeeded to deeply disapoint a loyal customer
... but hope they'll very soon make us forget about this unhappy episode

 

Just Curios, With all this complaining about this Couldnt you just take the song you wrote in (with) Kore and play it in an editing program or run it in you sequencing program i.e., Live 5, Bias peak, Logic 7, etc. I use these example of softaware cause I own these and do that with reason 3 sometimes instaed of using rewire . I am not on either side because I am still getting the hang of using it so I have not ran into a limitation. "Me Personally, I had to stop making hypothetical limitations and arguments that I am not experiencing yet" My 2 cents Worth, I am really digging Kore So far... Later Guys

 

I have an idea! Use a real dongle with Kore software.. If NI wants a dongle so bad and we don't want to lug around the hardware, then let's find some middle ground.. Use a real dongle..

Or don't dongle us at all...that would be nice.

Riley

 

i am afraid you are missing the point here. Yes, you can take the mixdown and open it with anything, or you could bounce down all your tracks (with Kore attached) and re-import them into another program for mixing, BUT without the Kore unit/dongle attached you cannot open the original song file to edit it or re-export it or whatever. If you have used a Kore instance in the file, it will not start, and you will have no access to the synths or plugs that are running inside it. So no matter how wonderful it might be to run those synths or plugs from within Kore (and i can't comment on that since I don't own it), if you find yourself without the Kore unit - say it breaks or malfunctions or you don't want to drag it out of your suitcase to set up for a bit of editing on the train - you are stuck. And it does not look to me like that thing fits on a keychain.

 

This is precisely why the damn thing is a dongle... *sigh*

 

I just received Kore.

My planned use is to combine Guitar Rig and softsynths so that I can play them both live from a bass (with appropriate midi assignments etc). It seems to do this pretty well and I was considering upgrading to Komplete to expand the set of sounds that I have at my disposal.

I will mainly use a foot controller to change parameters etc. and the Kore controller is really just an extra that I probably will not use live.

If Kore is used as a dongle (and this doesn't change) I have two choices, put Kore on Ebay or get a 2nd spare Kore controller. As things stand, I would have to cancel a gig if the controller did not work for any reason. This is especialy galling as I probably wouldn't use the controller during a gig!

A particularly bad design (marketing?) decision means that NI will perhaps lose this customer (and it would seem) many others

I just can't see any reason for this as the controller is not necessary for live use and the software is already copy protected.

I would be satisfied with a "we'll fix this in the next release" but the present situation is untenable

 

besides putting it on ebay, you could just...return it?

 

Yes I could return it but I'm still undecided (I'll have to make up my mind soon though)

I am mystified that there has not been any announcement from NI about this, epecially as this thread has been going on for quite a few months. They could either tell us that they are going to fix this problem or that it is a permanent feature and we could make decisions based on that.

I really like Guitar Rig except for the fact that it doesn't have any midi channel assignment in stand-alone mode. I thought that Kore would fix this and give good softsynth functionality. It seems to do all this but having to have the controller attached all the time negates the benefits.

 

Hi,

Why dont you have a look at Bidule, it does what you want and is very cheap. You can download a demo as well to check it provides what you want.

http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=35

Cheers

Andy

 

Thanks for this. I will try out Bidule ans see if it does what I require.

I still like the the idea of Kore but perhaps not for live use

 

I was planning to purchase the Komplete 4 upgrade and Kore package this month, and would be eligible for a free download of Massive (which looks VERY nice) for doing so. After reading about the horrible bugs and hardware dongle, I think I'm gonna have to pass on Kore.

It really is a shame. I have been lusting after the Kore software since it was announced. I was even prepaired to deal with the headphone/monitor limitation and dongle issue (...as I am primarily in a studio environment) until I read this thread. AMAZINGLY, it never crossed my mind that my original (non-audio tracked) projects would be rendered useless without the controller. EFF That.

I'm still gonna purchase the Komplete 4 update cuz that's just too good to be refused, but I'm really bummed about Kore. Not to mention that I will no longer be eligible for a free copy of Massive.

 

I don't think you really need an answer -- the answer has already been provided to us by NI -- they plan to keep Kore as a dongle.

I assume the only thing that might change their mind is slow sales of the Kore product. They are obviously aware that many customers are unhappy, but are not yet willing to act on this since it hasn't impacted Kore sales significantly.

Unfortunately with the new Kore/Komplete 4/Massive promotion, there may be significant sales of Kore just so people can get massive for free. In the U.S., you can buy Kore for $449, and Massive sells for $299. There are a lot of Komplete 4 owners who want Massive, and are willing to effectively try out Kore for $150 (449-299).

 

This is the problem

This is the safest solution.

I agree.
And so do all the artists on my record labels...

 

I think the main problem is that new users will probably not know that it acts as a dongle till they try to run the software without the unit attached.

So NI are not going to loose too many customers, the ones that looked on the forum before purchasing are probably the only ones and most people do that after they have purchased something.

Cheers

Andy

 

...

That is what they thought about FinalScratch...

...now Serato is the industry standard.

Also

... Kore does not werk properly.

Cheers
B.

 

I've learned my lesson after my KORE unit broke.

I had to work on a remix and after opening the original mix to sample bits of it, i was faced with the 'Kore unit not found' message and realised 6 tracks won't output Sweet F.All.

It's not a risk I wanna risk anymore as in 6 months time (post warranty) if that thing dies again, there's gonna more work that won't open fully and I just know it'll ruin my day and further months to come.

On that note, No More Kore

Kr.

 

The only way to use Kore for anything important is to have at least two of the units available.

Cheers

Andy

 

Andy -

Maybe that's the long-term plan and we just don't see the 'big picture'. Perhaps NI thinks we're all SUPPOSED to own 2 Kores (duo-kore?) just to be safe. Maybe next week they'll offer a Kore+Massive deal for all the KC'06 owners that FINALLY got Komplete 4 and we can all save money. :-0

Peace,

Dave