Please post here! Don't make Kore a dongle!

I wish they would just use a real dongle with it, if the want a dongle so bad.

Did you notice that they have made a software only version of guitar rig 2. Maybe they are about to do the same with Kore?

Riley

 

This has just scared me - I have just bought KORE and have ordered Komplete 4 - I will not want to use this if I wont be able to play my tracks if the KORE unit breaks. I have just sent the following email to NI

Dear NI

I am in the process of recording an album, I have just bought KORE and was going to order Komplete 4. I am deeply concerned about the Dongle status of the KORE unit as if this breaks it will mean that I will not be able to work on any tracks that incorporate KORE. One user (Krugger) has already had this happen.

Can you please confirm that this would be the case and what measures you have put in place for registered users in the event the KORE hardware fails? I am confident that as a professional company looking to attract professional users that you have thought this through and have a solution.

I will not be ordering KOMPLETE 4 until I get a response. can you do this as a matter of urgency as I will need to return my KORE unit to the supplier if there is no solution.

Many thanks

Ivan

 

(Updated) NI doesn't care (that we don't want KORE to be used as a dongle.) After I found this out I returned KORE. Even the return process was a nightware. (Even though it was within the store's 30 day policy)

 

How do you know NI don't care??? did you contact someone at NI?

 

Then they aren't doing their research before they buy, Andy.

http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=korefaq_us

ew

 

Nonetheless, it is a ridiculous system I am all for stamping out piracy by using dongles but making the unit itself a dongle is madness.

 

I bought KORE from AudioMidi.com before it's normal public release date and before the FAQ. AudioMidi.com normally offeres 30 days money back , but with KORE, they had to get "Special Permission" from NI before I could return it.

 

Yes, I did contact NI many many times. My install disks were corrupted so I was dead in the water from day one....

If they cared about providing us a working alternative when the KORE hardware dies they would listen to their users and not make KORE hardware a dongle but use iLOK or something else. (Isn't that what this whole thread is about?)

 

I would correct that statement to "they are SELLING a software only version of Guitar Rig 2". GR2 (nor GR1) does not require the use of the Rig Kontrol/Kontrol 2 controller.

I assume this was done primarily because Guitar Rig became part of the Komplete package as a "software only" product.
Up until now, the only way to get a software only GR2 was to buy Komplete 3; now NI is selling a retail version.

Unfortunately I assume NI is planning to stick to the "Kore controller as dongle" approach.

 

Also, Rig Kontrol never was a dongle for Guitar Rig. You had the option of using it, or not using it. I didn't use it because it was a hassel.

With KORE, you are obligated to use the KORE hardware....

 

Albert - you have completely missed the point. come back when you have truly understood the issues

 

That's a bit harsh and undeserved. He is trying to engage in dialogue in a forum (imagine that) and you shut it down and dismiss it entirely.

Maybe you need to come back when you truly understand what the concept of "community" is about.

Now see? That was gratuitous and unnecessary. And it may have evoked a negative reaction in you. And for what?

To a certain extent Albert I agree, but I am not a musician who needs mobility. I sit in my tiny studio space and do what I have to do. Others here DJ or have mobile setups and having KORE as a dongle is a real PIA. I can understand that.

And to answer your other question, KORE does not do any hardware processing (aside from interface duties).

I wonder if a solution is for NI to issue a seperate USB dongle so that folks can set-up and use their KoreSounds on the road easily? That way, if you don't want to lug the unit, you can still access stuff provided you have the same soundware installed on your systems.

No doubt folks would b*tch and moan about having to lug around another dongle. Can't say I totally disagree with that. But it would be better than having to lug around the KORE unit itself.

As to the need for a dongle at all, well, I think everyone here either has or knows someone who has "borrowed" a bit of warez at sometime or another. And if you don't or have not, let me assure you it is rampant.

"Yeh but why penalize me for the action of others?" is the usual refrain. Pretty much for the same reason you are forced to carry a "dongle" for your car and home. (They are also called "keys".)

Now I sound like I am advocating dongles. I am not. I do not like them, and given the problems I have had with iLok screwing up my system, I pretty much AVOID products that require them (especially iLok). KORE has been my one exception and, since I am not mobile and I don't rely on its audio capabilities, I have been fairly pleased. The only downside is that it has made it really apparent that I need a new computer badly.

Peace out.

George

 

You are right George!

no excuses - what was I thinking! that was a really shi**y post and not my style. Thank you for bringing me back!

SORRY ALBERT!!!

 

For me the problem with Kore acting as a dongle is that I'm interested in Kore as much for the compound sound design possibilities as I am for the control aspects. It makes me hesitant to depend too much on Kore for this though if I have to have the dongle everywhere I go.

 

My only real issue (I think I stated this earlier or in another thread) is that, when I'm using Pro Tools M-powered, one USB port is used for the M-Audio hardware, one for the klunky red Pro Tools dongle and one for whichever midi keyboard I want to use. That's all three of them on the laptop. And none of them are happy running off a hub, even if it's powered. Therefore, in order to use Kore, I'm forced to use Cubase SX
(ANOTHER dongle) or Sonar and if I want to use Arturia's Analog Factory - you guessed it: ANOTHER DONGLE.

I COULD set everything up on a dedicated desktop but I like the portability and "comfort" of the laptop, even though it's just around the house. I'm certain there is a way to get everything loaded onto one dongle (like Steinberg does with its softsyths, etc.) but I don't know if there are iLok compatability issues with other dongles. Besides, I'd pretty much be up a creek if everything was on one key and it broke or got lost.

I understand 'why dongles' but don't understand 'why not universitility'. I like George's idea about a separate dongle for the Kore software (if that's what NI wants to protect) since the Kore unit can go from computer to computer to computer with no authorisation whatsoever. That might make a few people somewhat happier.

I'd be content with another USB port on the ol' laptop!!

Peace,


Dave

 

Please don't make Kore a dongle. I would rather have a small dongle than having to use a large piece of hardware as a dongle. It's the principle that matters. - Orbit-50

 

I was also just on the verge of purchasing Kore, found this thread, and now have strong doubts about buying. I often travel with my laptop and can get by with using just the mouse to create/modify patches and work in Cubase. I really don't want to carry around the massive Kore controller as a dongle. If I had that space, I'd carry around one of my keyboard as well.

I'm very excited about Kore for its patch browser and its Combinator-like abilities, and I can understand NI wanting more copy protection. I'd even be fine if there was a small USB stick that could take the place of the controller. I just don't want to have all my songs stop working because I don't happen to have the controller along with me.

 

Welcome to the machine...

 

Hey everybody! I'm not saying it was all due to our complaints and long diatribes, but I don't think it hurt anything, and maybe swayed their decision.

Kore is NO lONGER A DONGLE!!!!

SO I'll probably pick one up soon!

 

Congratulations to Ni for doing the right thing... I think it will help expand the adoption rate of the platform and be a good thing all the way around!