Plugin version becoming my preference...

In this sentence what is meant by sequencer? I use Maschine as standalone only at the moment. Not sure that for my uses much more is really needed (or at least worth the monetary investment). I've been bit-by-bit trying to guess as to what people are using all these "peripherals" for...

So...if someone could clarify what Lotuz (or 'you' if Lotuz is reading this) means by sequencer here, that would be great!

 

true, that would be pretty dope lol
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More outs would be dope for sure, right now I just skip the outs and drag the audio to it's own track so I can process that way if I want to.

 

Maschine has its own internal sequencer to create the patterns that trigger the sounds. And with the scenes you can create an entire song from start to end.

You can also bypass Maschine's internal sequencer and use another sequencer (nowadays often referred to as a DAW) to create the patterns and create the song. Basically your using Maschine as a sound generator.

There is also the option to create the patterns with Maschine's internal sequencer and use another sequencer to create the song by telling Maschine which scenes to play.

I'm not sure yet which method works best for me. When I first came to this forum I was used to sequence all my VST instruments with Cubase and I was disappointed that wasn't possible. I didn't like pattern/scene based sequencing and I wanted the flexibility of Cubase. But in the months that followed I started using Maschine as standalone and this way of sequencing started to grow on me. I don't like working with scenes that much, so I guess that means I'll have to do all the sequencing with Cubase, but that means I'll have to sacrifice workflow. Or find a way to do things easier in Cubase. That's what I'm looking into right now (using key commands and such).

 

I feel ya bro, trust me I do you already know lol. I'm just trying new things, keeping an open mind, and trying to find the best workflow for me. If I'm just bangin around with some samples and stuff, then standalone is the joint, but when I want to add some synths and other vsts to the mix, using it as a plugin is pretty dope.

I thought about it, and before getting Maschine, it was just ableton...I didn't have any transport controls and I was still cool. Sure, I was lookin at the apc for more hands on but it's all good lol.

I can still hop in and out of record mode while maschine is a plugin.

Plus, I edited a custom template withing ableton so I can switch to midi control mode and have access to volume, sends, macros, drum racks, track arming, transport, etc.

This allows me to quickly move between Maschine and Live's internal drum racks or handling stuff on other tracks in live.
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yes lol I am lol. I never really got into the whole hosting Maschine in Kore thing, even though I set it up and it was pretty cool. I like using it in Live much better. Lack of transport isn't as bad as I used to think.
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cool yo, hows that workin out for ya, I almost picked up a faderport this weekend to use in this situation and also with studio one. I think I'm just going to grab a midi controller with transport controls though because I want a 61 key one now lol.

 

I like to keep it all MIDI, but that means I'm stuck to the eight stereo outputs. Or I should work with multiple instances of Maschine. With my audio interface I also have the possibility to re-route the audio, so I can convert a stereo channel into two mono channels, but then I won't be able to use export audio mixdown anymore. In other words I'll have to record everything in realtime. It's like gaining and losing at the same time.

 

I feel ya, I just keep the Maschine plugin with all the data in it, in the project, if I want to make changes I do it there, then drag the changes to the track as audio

 

cool yo, hows that workin out for ya, I almost picked up a faderport this weekend to use in this situation and also with studio one. I think I'm just going to grab a midi controller with transport controls though because I want a 61 key one now lol.[/QUOTE]



saintjoe, the faderport is dope with studio one! I thought twice about getting it also but im glad i did! it works good!

 

the faderport is a nice tool,really feels like it's a part of my arm now.With it right next to Maschine,I'm able to just move on in my daw,I rarely care too much for standalone apps,they don't serve me purpose,as I like to mix n play keys on the go,so daw work is it.should've did this before

Still support for transport control is vital for a good workflow - if I didn't put the faderport right next to Maschine as a plugin,I'm not sure I could do it man,I have a novation SL with transport as well,but it don't feel as good,my brain is so used to working on the mpc,along with tap tempo - staples..Perhaps in the next hardware/ Maschine 2.0?

 

You can sidechain. It will cost you a few sound slots and it's not easy for the workflow (ie using two compressors).

Say you want to compress a kick (sidechain) and a pad.
Sent each sound with the sends to 2 other sounds. Pan one to the left and one to the right.
Set up two sounds with a compressor.
Sent kick left and pad right to one sound.
Repeat if for the other channel, kick right, pad left.
Mix the pad left and right to a new soundchannel.

When adjusting a compressor copy the slot to the other compressor slot for identical settings.

It's late for me. I hope I described it good
And it may be done easier.

Erwin

 

I hear alot about the Live maschine combo, at this time which is the best Live template to use if you want to switch back and forth between controlling ableton and maschine. there seem to be several templates out there, whats the concensus on which one is the best one and are there anymore on the horizon?

 

dope man, thanks for the input.
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I definitely feel ya man, real talk, that's why I considered it, something about having it right there is dope. Definitely transport support in plugin mode would make a lot of folks happy.
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It's pretty cool. I actually created my own custom template, I have no desire for Maschine to launch ableton clips so I made the group A through group D buttons control 4 banks of the Ableton drum racks.

I also configured it to control volume, track arm, and sends for the first 8 tracks.

It will also control the 8 macros on any live devices.

I hadn't found one that really worked how I wanted, so I just built my own using the userconfiguration.txt file that comes in the user remote scripts, then I created the template in controller editor.

 

can someone please direct me to where I can find the information about the method of using maschine like a sound module and instead of using it's internal sequencer, using the sequencer in your daw of choice (ableton for me), I'd like to create a drumkit in group a and sequence that into one of abletons midi clips and continue to do that with the rest of the groups.

 

In Abelton that should be as simple as loading Maschine as a vsti plugin then your loading sounds into a group and triggering Maschine via your midi controller.

 

i think I was hoping for something different, I'd like to Use maschine hardware to control maschine in ableton, don't want to control maschine with another midi controller, i was just hoping that I could some how assign each group in maschine to it's own midi track in Live and use live as the sequencer instead of maschine and just use maschine for groups, fx, and sample editing, slicing. I hope I'm making sense

 

I don't know how it works in Ableton, but there's no need for another MIDI controller in Cubase.

 

well you can trigger the groups from maschine obviously, you mntioned you wanted to use maschine as a sound module, typically sound modules don't use controllers,but you use your own controller.so I just well,whatever - you get the idea - yes you can use maschine as the controller, just pick the correct outs, I'm not an abelton user,but alot of maschine users use it here... chime in folks :]

 

So far it's been a puzzle with some missing pieces to create my ideal setup in Cubase.

I've created a Cubase project with 8 MIDI tracks, one for each group. Instead of the Key Editor I use the In-place Editor on each track now, so I don't have to open MIDI parts anymore. With my BCF2000 in Mackie Control Mode I can select these MIDI tracks. One press on its left preset button and I can control Maschine's 8 audio channels in the VST mixer. Added key commands to my X-keys for quantizing and nudging. Besides the In-place workspace I've created two additional workspaces, one that shows Maschine's GUI and another one that shows the normal project view. So far so good.

I wish selecting notes without the mouse was easier and quicker though. Selecting all notes of a certain pitch doesn't even seem possible without the mouse. And there doesn't seem to be an Erase function similar to Maschine's to erase notes while recording.

It would also be nice if I could change groups and select the associated MIDI tracks with just Maschine's group buttons, but this is just a minor thing.

So there are benefits and drawbacks which I'm still balancing. I guess there's no such thing as an ideal setup.

 

yeah lol, i'm still balancing too lol, it really depends on how I feel that day, a lot of the time all I need is in Maschine, with akai import now...man...sexiness. Plus I been on some create a synth from waveforms stuff lately, like I used to do with the mpc, Maschine is a very capable sampler.

 

Maschine comes with a Live template that allows you to navigate and launch Live's clip matrix with the pads like a Launchpad.

There's LiveMaschine template by fragmented shared in this forum which is good if you want to use Live's Drum Racks with Maschine's pads.

The above two templates are limited to the first 8 tracks at a time.

I prefer to use the Mackie Control template with Live since it allows you to control all tracks without limits. And you get full visual feedback of track names, parameter values...etc.

 

if you use mackie control do you still get to control drum racks in live, and can you still record maschine sequences in lives sequencer if you don't want to use maschines sequencer?