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Plugins creating cpu overload within maschine 2 software.

Discussion in 'MASCHINE Area' started by AC Heat, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. BLUELOUIE

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    can anyone confirm that for mac? I have never seen an optinon like that myself, lol
     
  2. BLUELOUIE

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    also!,
    Weirdly my cpu has kinda relaxed a little bit while running only maschine, averaging out at around 50% which is still too much in my opinion..
    I talked to this guy yesterday, going to meet up with him later with my tax return (thank god) I think im going to rip out my optical drive and replace it with a 100 gig ssd. And like ntula said about putting large samples on an external. I have this massive load of acapellas that is taking 20 gigs, With doing that, and adding the ssd and moving most of my samples onto that, maybe even just moving maschine 2 to that, would that help reduce the cpu? Also, now that you guys are using 2.0, did you delete maschine 1.8?
     
  3. beeman_nl

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    Because of the reinstall of my laptop I just went with a clean 2.0.6 install... Thinking about installing 1.8 again to check if it performs better, but I really really want to use the latest version. Especially the mixer and the unlimited groups will be missed!!

    I thought about an SSD drive as well but I'll probably wait for a while and upgrade to an iMac in my homestudio...
     
  4. ntula

    ntula NI Product Owner

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    the thing about SSD drives are they are best for read only... the do wear out if they are constantly writing... so read only libs are a good thing to put on them... but an audio scratch drive is not... one of the draw backs of using it as your boot drive is the system is always writing logs and overwriting prefs, it is not easy to get it to write the logs to another disc, but you can put your user folder somewhere else...



    yes, that option no longer exists since like os 10.5 or 4, you have to go into energy saver. there are a few options, like hard drive sleep and monitor dimming. .. but there no longer are selectable performance modes for battery or power adapter, instead you set the prefs and it automatically detects and sets the mode.
     
  5. BLUELOUIE

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    yeah i feel you.. But really if you already have 2.0 i feel like it would be extremely counter-productive to not use it. maschine 1.8's cpu is much better though..
     
  6. beeman_nl

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    Yep, I'd rather not...

    I filled an issue at Tech Support and referred to this topic, let's hope it's a bug they can squeeze in a future update...
     
  7. BLUELOUIE

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    let me know what kind of response they give you!
     
  8. johnnydinla

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    My MacBook Pro is the same way. Core i7 dual, 8Gb memory, 2 512gb SSDs and the audio 6. It maxes way to fast. I've been turning midi to audio to save resources. Was thinking Mac Pro 6 core and 32Gb memory as an upgrade unless i7 Extreme gets into MacBook Pro soon.
     
  9. BLUELOUIE

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    WOW. with everything you have its still maxing out? weird... does it max out on the little cpu indicator? or does it only max out in your activity monitor?
    Im maschine 2, my cpu meter doesnt even move, looks like I have no problems, but when I look at my monitor, its almost peaking (w/ no VSTS)
     
  10. AC Heat

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    Yes, the problem occurs with both drivers WASPI and ASIO4ALL. Although, I have M-Audio M-Track usb interface. It seems to be a little more reliable. But it does the same after I open a few VST plugins like Supercharger, MEqualizer, MCompressor, etc. But regardless of the playback driver I use, the problem is only seen in Maschine. Task Manager always shows Maschine only using a negligible amount of CPU.
     
  11. AC Heat

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    And I have tried many different setings 44.1, 48, etc
     
  12. johnnydinla

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    Yes, but the processor is from 2010 so that might be the bottleneck. i cannot add any more memory to it either. The little CPU indicator gets pretty high and it gets glitchy.
     
  13. BLUELOUIE

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    Yeah, lame man. I decided that im going to take out my macs optical drive (early 2008 4,1) and get a kit and put a 100gig ssd. Im hoping that maybe with that it will perform better.
    I was thinking of just uninstalling maschine 2.0 then making a carbon copy and booting from the ssd then just reinstalling maschine 2.0 onto the ssd, I dont have ANY experience doing this, would this be the right thing to do in your opinion? or should I just make a carbon copy of everything and boot from the ssd, then delete everything off the ssd besides maschine 2.0?
    If you have any advice i would greatly appreciate it. I havent found anything relating to this on the forum..
     
  14. johnnydinla

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    I did relatively the same thing, except I did not need to uninstall/reinstall anything. I got my Komplete 9U and Maschine after I upgraded the computer. I have 2 512 SSDs. I cloned my old drive and took out the optical to put the other drive in that bay. I found a thread on some Mac forum that gave me the change I needed to run the external Super Drive. Here's a link to something similar http://www.hardturm.ch/luz/2011/10/how-to-make-the-macbook-air-superdrive-work-with-any-mac/

    I couldn't tell you much else, but I am planning on upgrading at some point to a new Mac and just use it strictly for music production.
     
  15. BLUELOUIE

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    hmmm.
    @ntula what would you recommend?
     
  16. trebot000

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    I have had this problem for the last few years using Maschine 1.8 and now with 2.0 on my i5 8GB PC running Windows7. In 2.0, it is not as bad for certain projects but there are plugins like Prism, Massive, and anything Abbey Road Drums from Kontakt that crush my CPU very quickly. I have gotten many great pointers from the nice people on here and went over the system optimization guides. The first thing I did in 2.0 was try and open one of those projects that maxed the CPU, and there is a difference, but it still hits spikes. I have everything upgraded from the service center. If I stay away from plug ins i'm fine but I do have K9U. Will buy a new computer for production one day but still I wonder if that is really what causes it.
     
  17. beeman_nl

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  18. BLUELOUIE

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    EGGSACK-tly, I dont understand how they can say it works on 2 g ram, assuming that would be horrible, but still "works" reccomending 4. I figured I would have no problems.. This is a bummer.. Im going to put in another ticket if that extra ssd doesnt assist.
    But last night, I was runnning maschine, avging out at 50 %, I was sampling this acapella and I needed an external effect, just adding reverb and maximizer, maschines CPU was at a flopping 135%!?!? with only effects!? smh man. This is honestly bs.
     
  19. BLUELOUIE

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    EGGSACK-tly, I dont understand how they can say it works on 2 g ram, assuming that would be horrible, but still "works" recommending 4. I figured I would have no problems.. This is a bummer.. Im going to put in another ticket if that extra ssd doesnt assist.
    But last night, I was running maschine, avging out at 50 %, I was sampling this acapella and I needed an external effect, just adding reverb and maximizer, maschines CPU was at a flopping 135%!?!? with only effects!? smh man. This is honestly bs.
     
  20. b-righteous

    b-righteous Moderator Moderator

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    The min specs are really the bare min to just run Maschine. Does not mean you will go far at all with it. 2GB is definitely not enough RAM as Win7 will eat the majority of that on it's own.

    Plug-ins eat CPU and on top of that, the stock OS on your computer is not really designed to run audio in real time so in most cases you need to tweak things to optimize it for audio. You should also have a professional audio card to run a professional audio application.