pros and cons of maschine

as far s sp12 mode being different.... I would be pissed.... I love it how it is. I have actually been in a studio with both the sp and maschine fired up and played with both a good bit and I can easily tell you it is very true to the original (and one of the great things is that it lets you toy with the distortion in a realistic way the way we did when using the sp and mpc) smh... some people want a knob to turn (maybe labeled "Krunk" and just be lazy, this is not a speed up workflow issue this is simply a "get the real sound your trying for" technique. if you want some easily faked dirt then just through tal bit crusher on there)

 

I have just a lil problem with the weight of Maschine on my cpu. It would be nice to have a lighter software. But, I do NEED the moon. I'm happy with how it is. For someone that has a constant issue with your everyday DAWS, to use Maschine in an effective way is way cool. Like they say, everyone has their own workflow, and maschine facilitates everything that I need with more goodies to come. Viola! Not really my pros and cons but I can't sit here and ponder about things that are wrong about maschine because it is something that enjoy using. I always wanted an mpc but never had the money, I always wanted to figure out Protools and things of that nature, but it took away from the creative process just to learn the darn thing. And here I have Maschine that satisfied/or soon will satisfy most all of my needs and wants.

 

Maschine pro comparison con

Sampling at 45 and pitching the sound up or down has nothing to do with how accurate the emulation is or should be. I own 2 sp1200s the original and the reissue, used for what you are describing here (sampling @ 45 is a method used to get around limited sample time). The sp1200 has multiple filters that are assigned to each of the eight outputs plus a ring mod and a S.E.M. chipset that cannot be reproduced 100%. That said, I love my Maschine! The most productive I have been in years, mainly because there is no limitation on sample time , which is why I would midi 2 1200s as opposed to sampling at 45. The sp1200 emulation in the Maschine is cool but it is by no means the same thing as the real deal, I don't think it was meant to be. I think that the Maschine stands on its own so does vintage gear, so stop comparing. I was asked once if I could only have 1 piece of gear what would it be and I would easily say the sp1200. Now it would be the Maschine , work flow and sample time win everytime! Would I miss my sp1200 yes, but the sound designers at NI are 2nd to none!

 

Actually, the SP1200/MPC60 emulation in Maschine is based on actual component modelling even down to details like the aliasing effect from the tuning of the sample and the different filters on the outputs of the SP1200. Both emulations trace the exact signal flow through the actual machines. It's pretty darn accurate as verified multiple times in this forum by those who have compared both together.

 

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I guess there will be long lines at fast food places around the world serving genetically modified beef because the taste has been verified multiple times by those who have tasted both...LOL!

 

Yo my signal chain is the **** I have been working in 1.6 all day. I have a SP12 and my 2 cents as far as emu goes is this. I think the SP12 has a certain sound to it that can't be necessarily emulated but like vintech makes knockoff neves they can come close. But now! You can use plugins to compensate so I could care less. Yo my mouth is still on the floor from this update. I am making signal chains in maschine that are killing the MPC sound and the SP12 sound. Now that is my how I feel. By the way I use the SP12 and MPC settings sparingly because they do sound a little weird to me. 808 seem to have this ring going on that I never experienced with an MPC or an SP.

 

This is 100% true...I only responded because this was a thread about the pros and cons of the maschine and someone mention that the emulation of the sp1200 was bad and they got slammed! Each generation has a piece of gear that comes along and has an impact. In the 70's it was the Moog/Arp. In the 80's DMX/Linn/SP12/TR808. In the 90's sp1200/MPC3000. In 2000 It is the Maschine, which takes a piece from every decade mentioned!

 

Maschine is great for quick hands on control of samples, quickly adjusting drum hits and sounds, feels really like a piece of hardware. Brings the physical element back!

For me there are a few major shortcomings though:
1) lack of true polyrhythmic patterns, i.e. the ability to run patterns of different lengths independently alongside each other (currently they all reset each time the longest pattern returns to 1)
2) lack of proper timestretch (this has been mentioned a million times laredy though)
3) better filters! The filters are quite limited, but now we can use VSTs perhaps its not such an issue...

 

if your thinking of sequencing external gear maschine.. is primitive

 

Stylus RMX by Spectrosonics, I bought it over 4 years ago have received numerous updates all for free. However that the only one I can think of but you asked so...........

 

sowari

 

Indeed... I wish it was better in this regard.

 

WHAT! Is this true even for the new 1.6 update?

I was all worked up to buy Maschine this week or the next, and one of the major features that attracted me was that it seemed so easy to have patterns of different lengths running freely on top of each other. I like to have 4/4, 7/8 and 13/8 or whatever meters all going on at once in my music. But if they all reset at the length of the longest pattern, it will not work at all. I'm glad I found this info before I bought it, because I would have been very disappointed. Thanks.

 

So patterns won't keep to the length you've set them? The non-4/4 patterns play once in non-4/4 and then revert to 4/4? This can't be true? I'm assuming I've just misunderstood...

 

It seems it is I who have misunderstood what Element wrote. I have heard from others now that it is no problem to have several patterns of different lenght running freely. No resetting when the longest pattern comes back to "1". I guess I will have to go to the shop and try this out before I buy.

 

Fair enough. That did seem like very odd behaviour for it to have.

 

Con-No Time stretch. Really!

 

All I have to say is look at how far maschine has come only being out a short time. That's reason enough to get it. Every single person that owns one should be EXTRA EXCITED about the coming updates. I would be willing to bet that NI gets most of the features everyone is asking for into this beast. It takes time. In the meantime realize what you have and that its probably the best product you can get. I seen it all... my first sampler was the Roland W-30 (when it first came out) been through the MPC's the MV's the ASR's and ASR X's the EMU's too many to name. This product is the best I have owned...(with my Akai S1000 Kb Sampler being second ) It can keep up with me and that in itself is impressive cause I work FAST !

So when you fire up maschine think to yourself "This is the future". It will make for a more exciting session

 

You know you my boy & I told you I have the MV. I'm not parting with her, but you & Joe have been my reason to put Maschine on my next purchase list! And I've been saying, even on MV Nations forum that I know Maschine is where the future is headed. So there's no denying I want to be there too! You both influenced my decision from the beginning, being pioneers of Maschine. This only makes sense! Even though my MV will still be there, I want to continue the leap forward with constant improvements & updates via Maschine. As I say, I want to incorporate both, but if Maschine wins out, I know my MV will still be there if its needed!

 

So what's the conclusion? Can you make polyrhythmic stuff with it, easily?
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If I had Komplete 7, battery 3 and e.g. Ableton Live, would I still want to buy Maschine?