Question about maschine drum synth and coryright

Well I'm pretty sure they would not be a market for such a library.

For a library to sell these days it needs to be completely different to whats out there or have a big name producer attached to it.

So the samples IMO aren't really going to help. But it also just seems wrong using the work of other sound designers to make sounds and sell them as sounds, I have no such scruples when making tunes, but sound deign is a different kettle of fish, you need to be responsible for that sound at every level. Cutting corners is never a good way to go in anything.

 

I find it hard to believe that sounds created but the drum synths are covered by the same copywrite as the samples, can anyone get an official response on this? No other synth would copywrite sounds created by it from scratch, neither should NI.

 

@LowPass "You need to be responsible for that sound at every level." How is sampling a kick drum in Maschine, and running it through compressors eq's etc, any different than the producers who sample drum machines to get the sounds for Maschine? I mean, how far are you supposed to go as a sound designer, build your own drum machine? Most sound library makers that make electronic drums are sampling something at some point that they didn't create, especially any library with sounds from drum machines with PCM data. I don't see why it's ok for NI to sample a crash cymbal from a Roland drum maschine but I can't sample the same cymbal from NI Maschine? Why does the ability to use an instrument as a source of sound suddenly stop with Maschine?

 

Have you confirmed this with NI? I'd really like to know. I'm working on a loop library and wanted to use Maschine to program some of the loops. I don't see how you can't use Maschine to make a commercial sample or loop when it's clear that hundreds of the Maschine sounds were themselves sampled from other Drum Machines. I find it hard to believe that every loop library maker out there is crafting every one of their hundreds of hi-hats and snares from scratch! If I can use the OSC waves in Massive to build a sound and sell it, I see no reason why I couldn't use the drum waves in Maschine to also construct a sound.

 

i heard there was a copyright on the snare drums

 

if you sample a ludwig or pearl kit you are technically doing the exact same thing as NI did to obtain some of the drum samples, and in this case no one can claim ownership to them, the character of the sound, except pearl or ludwig... you cannot claim a copyright on a piano note from a bosendorfer piano, that would be like apple trying to patent the rectangle or disney trying to copyright the day of the dead, which both tried to do, but you can claim a copyright on the collection of that and on the digital medium of the recording provided you have the permission of bosendorfer to use their name... so you can put a mic in front of a speaker and record m2 drum samples and they are in fact newly created samples from an instrument just like a pearl drum, analog synth, or sample based drum machine because maschine is considered a sample based drum machine instrument, but you cannot call them maschine samples without NI permission and you cannot redistribute exact copies of the digital files of that collection.

here is the kicker, the sampler part of maschine advocates sampling from other's songs even if those songs may contain NI samples and if it is done from a digital source it is no different than directly copying a m2 sample and regardless of the source, is contrary to the ethics of the eula, so you see.. "what you need, you have to borrow" is everywhere....

basically the eula states that you cannot distribute the exact drum samples from the NI collection in a new collection you create, but you can freely use them in your music. when you install and authorize them, you agree to the terms and it is an agreement between you and NI, even though it may not be enforceable in regards to copyright law. the keyword here is "exact", as if it is so obvious the source, like just adding reverb and compression, then it is considered a copy of it and in violation of the user agreement if it is used in another sample product package - at a certain point in the processing of a sample it does become a new one, but this is not definable as the process is an unknown variable so that cannot be defined in the eula.