R3 secondary licenses and their impact on R4 users

This is the official policy:

With Reaktor 3, you could normally only run Reaktor on one computer at a time because of the dongle. The secondary dongle that many people opted for lets one person run two copies at once. Note that this extra dongle is not actually a true secondary license. Owning two full copies of Reaktor (two licenses) is quite bit different, as it would allow you to do whatever you wanted with the second copy, including using it yourself or giving it to a friend.

With Reaktor 4, everyone can run two copies at once according to the standard license. Even Mac users who want to install on both OS9 and OSX can do this on two separate computers. This is actually a big step forward, I think.

And now, the question of users who purchased an additional license: To be honest we're still working on a solution that's fair and secure. Jake is going to try and organize a meeting next week so that they can discuss it. I'll get back to you with the results of that meeting.

 

Thanks for this info John.

I'll need to check the language on my invoice but I'm pretty sure it was actually described as a "secondary liscense and dongle" on the NI website when I purchased it. I don't recall it being referred to as a secondary dongle only.

Yes, this is better than what we got with R3.

I'm a little surprised they don't already have a plan - maybe I shouldn't be though. I realize you're in the same boat, but I really do think NI needs to give those of us who purchased (what we thought was) a secondary R3 liscense some sort of consideration. If they decide not to grant secondary liscenses for R4 they should at least buy us all a NI tattoo - or give us a free R4 library and manuals, with a NI t-shirt and matching coffee mug

BC

 

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I think what he's saying (posted most of that directly from Jake) is that having a secondary license would mean you essentially owned two copies of the program. However, by getting the second dongle, you did get the ability to run it on two computers at once, but you did not actually have two copies of the program... you could not sell one of the dongles to someone else for example. I think that's what he was saying.. it was a license to use a second dongle at the same time, but it wasn't a fully fledged additional legal copy of the software.

 

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The thing is.. you CAN run two copies of R4 as it is.. so its not like.. they could let every one run 4 copies of it if they had bought a secondary license. That would be silly.

The secondary license was something like $150, right? That would more than cover a copy of the library. Of course, then there's the question of the people who payed for a secondary license AND the R4 library... there would be nothing for them.

Let's see what they come up with next week.

 

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Yes, it is a rather tangled web. I guess I can see why no one at NI wanted to think about this.

 

It might not be that silly to some people. I understand what you're saying though - I just don't think it's that strange to reach the conclusion that 2ndary liscense holders (or people with 2 dongles - hmmm kinky) should get more than those who didn't opt for them. My boss/producer is also an attorney (don't be alarmed) and this whole thing has us all wondering - how did we arrive at this (possibly incorrect) impression?

Staying tuned from Denver....

 

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well, you should'nt, but there was nothing
to stop you.

 

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Hence the copy protection system was changed.

 

Call me old-fashioned, but while "working on a solution that's fair and secure", I hope that N-I will consider honoring their obligations!

 

working on a solution?

what the hell is there to think about? you told us definitely before the release of r4, that we will get an upgrade for the secondary licenses. you told us on your website, in emails and in the forum.

ni, you should not always punish your paying users!

you told me youve got very serious problems with crack users. but do you wonder? i personally own 3 reaktor licenses: one from the complete bundle, two from r3 plus secondary license. i ordered the boxed r4 upgrade.

i love your products, but your policy is making me sick! grrr.

 

a simple and fair solution

How about having the secondary R3 liscense become a third R4 liscense (or install)? Not two R4 liscenses. It was only a single liscense under R3, let it be the same under R4. This would work for me.

 

If you had R3, and you purchased a secondary license, you could use it on two computers at once. With your current R4 license, you can use it on two computers at once. It should therefore (hopefully) not be too big of a problem for you.

I purchased a secondary license as well.. I am in the same boat as you. We'll just have to wait till next week to find out how it is being handled.

 

would be ok for me too (the 3rd registration). and i think its very simple to find a secure solution: simply allow an installation on a different machine (=system id) but only allow to register under the same email adress, so you can be sure that only one person gets the third registration code (or in worst case a very good friend, band member or whatever...)

 

I suppose that's a possible solution. Not one that would help me any (I only need two).

I like the free t-shirt plan personally.

Anyone else here have an NI t-shirt already besides me?

 

yes, me. they included it into the complete bundle instead of the promised cd wallet. i love the tshirt, but not again and again broken promises....

and i need the 3rd registration, cause were 2 people in our studio using reaktor. on three machines, thats three installations. and ive got a laptop too, thats four. and ive got another machine in vienna, so thats five. but i should have six installations, cause they definitely were promised!!!! (cause as said before i own r3+second license and the boxed r4 upgrade and r4 from the complete bundle = 3xr4)

 

I had an NI t-shirt but it kept falling apart. It never fit properly even though I followed the wash instructions perfectly. NI said they were going give me a new version of the shirt for free (which I thought was nice of them).. but I had to wait more than a year past the date they said it would be ready... and then when it finally was available they wanted me to pay extra for washing instructions. And it still doesn't fit properly.

... sorry, just having a little fun.

 

awww, no free NI tatoo?

 

Wrong John, you CAN'T use two copies at once! While it may be possible, it is illegal under the license agreement:

Can I use this product on my desktop and my mobile computer, or must I obtain a second license for this?
According to the license agreement your product can only be used on one computer at a time. If you want to use your product on your mobile computer as well, but not simultaneously, a second installation for mobile use is included under your main license. Simply install the product on your mobile computer and complete a new authorization by registering the laptop System ID. You will then receive a second Authorization Key for the mobile computer.

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I only bought the 2nd. license for the sake of using OSC which would neccesitate running Reaktor on 2 computers SIMULTANEOUSLY. Originally, N-I stated that users with a 2nd. license would get 4 installs, two of which could be used at once.

By paying for the 2nd. license, I lived up to my end of the bargain... Is it wrong of me to expect N-I to do the same?

 

the funny thing is, osc implementation in r3 was very poor. me too i bought the 2nd license to use osc - and wait for r4 and a better implementation. and now they tell me: oops - no 2nd license for r4??? gotta purchase another full version???

but i agree with john - we should wait til next week for the decision of the ni special meeting - and hope they will remember their promises (this time...)

 

I was forwarding information given to me by Jake Mandell. Perhaps Jake was confused. My understanding of the agreement was the same one you have. I'll clear this up with him and get back to you.