R4: Nice New Bun... Reheated Burger?

The new interface is nice (generally speaking), but am I missing the significant new sound modules? And anyway, bun-wise... where's that rotating 3D display thing from the R4 product page?

I'm sure someone with a degree in digital audio engineering will be able to do wonders with Square Root...

In fact I think I'll go get the square root of that audio signal right now, and then... have it be much softer. It's my new ensemble called "Soft Touch".

(Just say "Nyquist" and people will think you know what you're talking about.)

 

You... feeling okay dfa?

 

macros

Will NI ever post the macros for r4 to show what you an do with the newest improvments. Can't afford the manual + cd right now. Why not post them for us, is there some issue with offering those for download? Shipping actual product requires inventory and all the fees and headaches associated with it. I just want to download. Only cost to NI is the server bandwidth.
I don't learn well from paper manuals anyways.

I love r4 with all my heart but am sad that I can't afford 70$ for the updated macros.

-gnomacros

...Just reakting to the world around me.

 

Why does everyone feel the need examples for everything?

I didn't spend the $79, but I am already comfortable with all the new additions. Just go and use them!

 

gnome... I've been hollering for the last 2 months that the upgrade isn't really going to be very useful for R3 victims without the Essentials Library and a PDF doc documenting what the new stuff means.

(And that was before I knew everything was going to be a mysterious textless icon.)

Hollering in vain, I believe...

 

my favorite part about spending the extra 100 bucks for the upgrade with 2 day shipping is how it's been a week and it's still not here.

 

johnnowak - For me it's not so much that I won't able to figure anything out as it is a matter of principle...

I have accquired this software legtimately, yet I'm expected to pay for any kind of documentation detailing what it is exactly that has been upgraded/changed and how it works.

Explain to me how this is different from purchasing the software new and having to pay extra for documentation.

 

The updated and changed parts are on the Reaktor 4 site.As to the documentation of how to use it,we wouldn't have seen that with the 3.3 update that became 4 either.
John's got the right idea;just dive in.
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> just dive in

That's what I'm doing ( I have no choice really). And I'm having a great time doing so as I've explained elsewhere in this forum. There's just this sour taste in my mouth as I'm doing it, that's all. It will pass.

Oh well... at least Propellerheads supplied a new manual with Reason 2.5. And it was free as well.

 

Square Root

I tried to reply but I think my post timed out...I'll try again sorry if it double posts.
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Johnnowak --> I hear you and have been diving in and making new machines since the 15th but I'm also interested in seeing what the developers have come up with. There's only a few new ens's in the r4 library online and nothing real ground breaking yet. I'm sure in time there will be more.

Maybe someone can help me figure something out?
I'd like to make a square root modulator/sequencer. Basically I input a number say 56 and the resulting string:

0.017857142857142857142857142857143 (loop)

would become the step values for a sequence. I could use the values to control whatever say the pos of a beat looper. This way I achieve modulation that is relational to an input value. Make sence?
Any guidance would be soooooo welcome.
-gNomerillo

 

Re: Square Root

I'll have one up tomorrow night maybe. It centers around controlled randomization.. tons of fun. ;-)

 

In reply to the original post. I dont think the new upgrade seems overrated at all. The oscillators have better resolution. No new filters granted and that is the module that could stand to change the sounds of the synths the most. But the user interface has gotten a major overhaul. and i am digging it something feirce. Havent run across any major bugs with it. but thinkin im one of the few.

 

I'm with you. I'm just saying don't worry about it too much. ;-)

 

Re: Square Root

Just got your email. I think what you are suggesting is using each of the places as a value in a step sequences (val1 = 0, val2 = 1, val3 = 7, val4 = 8, and so on). While technically this would produce output reliant on input, I do not think you could hear any difference between that and a random step sequencer. The pattern from the root simply isn't musically/mathmatically logical in anyway. While it is kind of a cool idea, I think you're better off with making a random step sequencer. All things considered, the output from a random step sequencer and square-root based sequencer would be indecernable.

What I am saying is, if you played someone music produced with the sequencer you suggested, they'd just assume it was a random-step sequencer. While your concept is pretty darn creative, I'm just not sure its worth the trouble to implement. ;-)

 

math

Thanks for the feedback johnnowak.

I thought the squareroot as a value would be more consistant than using random. I thought the numbers would have a noticable repetition to them that could be duplicated at any time giving some order. I suppose using any math would have a similar effect.

I'd like to know if it's possible to read that value to input a sequencer step by step. Theres a number of things I'd like to use that for.

I'll go read my dusty r3 manual now
-gNome

 

Re: math

There's no easy way to do that really that I am aware of. It is possible but it would be clucky to extract all those values.

And yes, it would produce a repetition, but so would randomzing 4 steps and cycling through them over and over. ;-)

 

OK but to get back to the theme of the thread... :|

The development priority should be:

1) bugs,
2) new sound generation features,
3) user interface.

Not the reverse

I've found a bug that's still there from Reaktor 2.

And you still haven't come up with anything useful to do with Square Root

 

I posted a macro in the library that could do the "explode into figures" trick using the quantizer.

I made some macros that used chaos algorythm to perform some sequences between repetition and absolute noise, with a fader to adjust the complexity of the patterns, but no the musical results were not very convincing...

I hope you'll get better results with the squareRoot algorythm.

Good luck

bubu°

 

Why does everyone feel the need examples for everything?

Because we dont know the damn thing as well as you perhaps?