razor 1.5

"A free Razor update is coming soon!

Along with a number of improvements it features 12 brand new modules designed and developed by @errorsmith the creator of Razor who also composed these demos to hint at the possibilities of the new features."

https://soundcloud.com/nativeinstruments/sets/komplete-razor-1-5-previews

 

Heads up Kore and Reaktor users:

http://www.native-instruments.com/f...nced-Kore-2-integration&p=1235942#post1235942

 

Wait Wait. we need OSX 10.7 to install this? what does that matter? I only have 10.6.8 and really dont want to upgrade just to install Razor 1.5. Will there be an install package that works with snow leopard?

 

+1

 

As it's totally unsupported (and thus mention here may be deleted given that) I will only make casual reference to my post elsewhere on this (for the brave and intrepid, i.e those unable to not upgrade at this precise moment ) :

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-product-alert/885254-ni-razor-1-5-a.html#post9611871

I am in process of upgrading all my systems but needed to take a break for a moment so approached this more as an experiment than a solution ;-)

 

smh,

NI have not supported 10.6.8 for one year - at least.

Razor 1.5 probably needs Reaktor 5.9 wihich will only work with 10.7 and above.

Razor 1.5 also has deep integration with Maschine 2 - which only works with 10.7 and above.

there will not be an install package that works with 10.6.8.

time to update.

sowari

 

@sowari,
thanks for the explanation, somehow for sure it does make sense to stop supporting older OS at some time but on the other hand, updating the OS still does contain risks, especially about incompatibility or the cpu/ram/hd is insufficient to allow running applications properly. at the office i'm still using windows XP on a virtual machine and there are plenty of developers still supporting XP even with latest updates of their applications and even it does mean, the developers do have 'n' times more work keeping an application up to date on different versions of the OS and will struggle 'n' times about any kind of issues, i have to bow and tip my hat for companies supporting older OS.

concerning razor 1.5 i did search some while on the NIs product page for the minimum system requirements and wasn't able to quickly find any, so to me happened same thing as for other users as well: after downloading you're disappointed because then you figure out that an os-update is mandatory. as long as i am not sure that my 2008 MP.pro could handle mavericks i'll have a wait since i already installed applications expecting the machine to run on 64bit, which it doesn't, so i already have applications not working anymore. :-/

even installed 'pacifist' and tried to install razor 1.5 using this kinda workaround, also didn't do the trick.

i still can understand company's policy to expect some minimum requirements of an more of less 'current setup' but hey, osx 10.6.8 is still in use by an amazingly huge amount of users, some of 'em "afraid" like me of updating, avoiding any kind of risks, as small as they might be. so i do still hope that NIs product owners and managers hopefully re-consider their update policy sooner or later


all the best,
chris

 

there is no way that NI are going to reconsider supporting Mac OS 10.6.8 when Apple no longer support it.

NI release are loare number of updates and Soundpacks monthly, and it is impossible for them to make their products available for more than three versions of an OS.

fyi, there is information on the internet about which Macs will run Mavericks.

also you need to look at Reaktor's System Requirements as it is needed to run Razor:

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
Windows
Windows 7 or Windows 8 (latest Service Pack, 32/64-bit), Intel Core 2 Duo or AMD Athlon 64 X2, 2 GB RAM (4 GB recommended)

Mac
Mac OS X 10.7 or 10.8 (latest update), Intel Core 2 Duo, 2 GB RAM (4 GB recommended)

sowari

 

What was the last version of Reaktor that officially supported OSX 10.6.8?

If all the bugs in that version were fixed, and released in 10.6.8 compatible patches (including those in any extra soundpacks and additional add-ons) then all's fair.
The problem for me would be if folks buying NI products for 10.6.8 ended up paying for maintenance that they couldn't benefit from because the results were released in an incompatible product version.

Apple's product cycle is unnecessarily fast, and it's all about revenue - sod the user. Maybe if NI can't keep up with the OS turn-around, they need to either put more resources into product maintenance to support more OS versions, or phase out Apple support entirely and focus on PC.

 

Well, this did change with Reaktor 5.9 - not so long ago i did install Reaktor 5.8 and it runs still nice and smoothly and without any bugs, glitches or errors on my ol' m'book. So, well, i don't see any quantum jump from 5.8 to 5.9 not allowing me anymore to use it since my machine might be too outdated, too old. As 5.8 runs perfectly, i'm sure even 5.9 would have run perfectly. As a loyal customer of one of NIs first products ever made i don't feel comfortable anymore beein' forced to update my machine if there's no urgent need or that kind of os-quantum-leap. ;-/ But i'll be quiet, since this thread doesn't lead me to a solution to finally get things running. ;(
All the best,
chris

 

as i said before Mac OS 10.6.8 has not been supported by NI for at least one year.

i also pointed out that 10.6.8 has not been supported by Apple for at least a year if not more than that.

so what happens if NI have a problem with an update because it does not work with 10.6.8 and they get in touch with Apple to ask for help and Apple say sorry, we no longer support that OS?

also, i have been pointing out on this forum of months now that Mac OS 10.6.8 and Microsoft Vista is no longer supported.

sowari

 

I agree. This is extremely disappointing to me as well.

 

Ask yourself, "Does the product that I bought still run on the OS that was specified when I bought it?"
Remember, you bought Razor 1.0, not Razor 1.5. Razor 1.5 is a free feature upgrade that is optional.
If Razor 1.5 was a mandatory update that required an OS upgrade, then there might be a gripe.
Razor 1.0 still runs exactly as claimed. There is nothing to be disappointed about.

New products will be developed and released. Those new products may require OS updates. As long as the product originally purchased still runs as promised, there is nothing to complain about.

 

Upgrading an OS is something I would really only do when absolutely necessary, certainly not between projects. Having to do so to update a program is pretty mad in my view. I know NI have their reasons for expecting everyone to have the latest versions of everything, but this isn't practical in the real world.

On a relevant note, even Microsoft are supporting Vista until 2017:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/lifecycle
(extended support admittedly)

 

if Apple continues to support Mac OS 10.6.8, then it would make sense that NI would do this as well. Seeing that Apple no longer support 10.6.8, it does not make sense that NI spend more time beta testing an OS that is no longer supported.

and i repeat NI's System minimum requirements changed a year ago.

also NI are creating plugins for DAWs that no longer work with 10.6.8 - Logic Pro X and Pro Tools 11.

i am afraid the choice is to update an OS so that it keeps up with changes or accept that you will have stick with the version you have.

sowari

 

The only sensible reaction to this is for us Mac users to vote with our feet - next time you buy a computer, get a PC. That's what I'm going to do.

 

i could not possibly do that :lol:

the only politically correct way is Linux - but that is not an option for me either.

for a number of reasons, i have to keep a reasonably up-to-date with Mac OS - which means Mac OS 10.6.8 is not an option - so i am happy using 10.8.5. i am not going to install Mavericks just yet because it is not recommended for Pro Tools 11 and also some people are having issues with Ableton Live after updating.

sowari

 

@sowari: That's exactly the point, latest OS as well as 'sometimes' even latest updates of NI-products do contain annoying bugs and all kind of issues, that's why still poeple stick to 'unsupported' operating systems which is just silly, if products nowadays get 'outdated' after 12 or 24 months already, since we're not talking about products with a predetermined breaking point! BUT the mandatory updates do feel like there's a need of that predetermined breaking point to convince users to update more frequently their devices. And you can repeat yourself another hundred times that Apple itself doesn't support 10.6.8 anymore, this simply doesn't necessarily implies that companies developing solutions running on an apple have to follow the same or similar product cycles: Otherwise i would have had throwing my virtual 'XP' more than half a decade ago into the trashcan because no actual software would run, but, hey, even Apple (!) released latest iTunes and it's still and perfectly working on Windows XP without _any_ negative side effects and guess what, recently someone at the Apple store even helped me fixing a tiny issue about it! So, I am sorry to still disagree but since i am working myself in the software-business developing high-end-warehousing solutions i do know the pros and cons of stopping the support of a specific OS. There will be a time 'everyone' is going to, will and will love to update to newer machines and latest OS, but there are also more and more users who also can't simply afford buying latest hardware when having a look of the current political and economical situation all over the globe... There are still users who do not simply _want_ to update and there are ones who can't. It's a pitty that a company like NI seems to be a lil' bit too strict concerning their update-policy. Yes, Razor 1.0 and Reaktor 5.8 does work on my machine. And i do know i have no right to claim a working r'1.5 - but i am still allowed to mention my point _and_ the frustrations i did have when trying to install it since earlier there was absolutely _no_ clear information mentining the minimum system requirements, maybe this is the 'customer complaint' we might all agree on...

And let me just shortly point out that i still love reaktor and razor, from the point of an 'senior software consultant' i won't agree to the decision already made by NI not supporting 'old' OS. But that's really just my humble opinion and everyone's free to disagree

 

Torley does Razor 1.5 http://youtu.be/lhmIk9v6COk

 

@WestendGhetto if Apple drop support that means they drop it for developers as well. so if NI have problems with a version of their software for 10.6.8 and neep help from Apple to fix the problem, they are not going to get help.

i agree that System Requirements should be mentioned on the Razor page - i will email Keir about this - but the System requirements for Reaktor and Komplete have not included 10.6.8 for over a year.

sowari