Reaktor 4 as AU in Logic

Reaktor 4 is garbage as AU in Logic

I can't even begin to describe my frustration and anger towards Reaktor 4 and NI. When I bought Reaktor 3 I loved the program, it worked very good under OS9 and i didn't mind the fact that it couldn't be used as a plug in Logic on the MAC at the time, It worked and this is why I'm so angry with Reaktor 4. Ever since Reaktor 4 was released the program has been crap. I am a Logic user like alot of people and it just doesn't werk worth a @#$% with Logic as a plug in.

Here's my system even though it doesn't really matter.
Brand new dual G5.
motu 828.

here's the problems. try to use more than one Reaktor plug-in and crash!!!
or better yet it just stops receiving midi! and then no sounds come out of any plug-ins. But remove the reaktor plugin and sounds start comin from other plugins? put the reaktor plugin back in and still doesn't receive midi but it will make sound if it has a built in sequencer. what ever, it doesn't really matter what the problem is.

NI fix the goddam program and next time don't release stuff untill it works. All youv'e done is turned alot of your loyal customers off. I will never buy another NI product again. This is something you people at NI should really think about before NI goes BYE BYE. Before the whole Reaktor 4 mess up over there I would have bought every single NI product, now I will never buy anything from NI again.

 

unfortunately not only is R4 kinda sketchy as a plugin, but AUs in general are sketchy as far as compatibility with different hosts goes, and Logic is sketchy with certain AUs as well. in other words, i'd try and figure out why this isn't working before you go blaming NI. as far as I know R4 works in every other host as an AU these days.

 

oh, and the other thing is, i don't think we really care about your feelings. i mean, it may feel great to vent, but you can't expect to pop onto a reaktor messageboard (the official one, no less!) and expect everyone to cheer and you whine at NI about compatibility with X and Y.

i think R4 is pretty damn decent as far as compatibility, considering how new the AU standard is and how inconsistently it is implemented across hosts. not only that, but R4 runs as a vst as well on mac and windows! all this from a program that is so complex if it were developed by another company i doubt they'd even try to implement a plugin version.

that said, it would sure be more helpful to say less nasty words and more actual information about the problems you're having.

 

Give me a break dude, i think people do care about my feelings, people who are about to drop 400 bucks on a product that has been totally unstable for the majority of its existence. Come on man just cause it works for you doesn't mean its all good for everyone else. And as far as the AU standard goes I have over 30 other AU's that work perfectly. The only problem I have is with Reaktor! I'm not looking for help so as far as my problems go describing them ain't gonna make no difference! There is nothing wrong with my setup! Reaktor is #$%ed up in AU. Come on, this is so ridiculous, for example how about that graphic bug in the AU? It's not like NI missed that bug! I mean really how can you miss a big fricken piece of the plugin missing when you first open it?

NI JUST GIVE US A STABLE WORKING REAKTOR FOR LOGIC!!!
I don't want argue about Reaktors stability with you. Do you run a brand new G5 with the latest Logic Pro with a motu 828? Have you ever tried using multi outs in reaktor and then try inserting an EXS instrument only to get no sound from any audio instrumnets untill you restart Logic? Your not gonna fix my problem. NI will, So Please NI pick up a new G5 and the latest Logic and hammer out the bugs!

 

Also, Iv'e had my Logic crash 4 times since I first started messing with it and Reaktor 4 about 2 weeks ago. All 4 times it crashed was when I was doing something with a Reaktor plug-in. Like I said before I have over 30 AU plug-ins and none of them have crashed Logic nor has Logic ever crashed on me with out a Reaktor instance. In fact since Iv'e been using OSX nothing has crashed on me except Logic running instances of Reaktor.

 

One more thing, Reaktor 4 does work sometimes as a AU in Logic without problems but it's not good enuff yet.

 

Logic + Reaktor work fine for me...

Hi. Sounds like you are having a bad time

My Logic/reaktor setup works incredibly well. Logic 6.42 R4.12 on G4 933 Panther 10.3.4

I put reaktor through intense plug in mayhem using multiple outs, sidechains, and automation most of the time. I do admit i get the occasional crash, but not as often as you appear to have.
Persnonally reaktor keeps me from buying other products because its so incredible, im not sure i neeed other sound generators/manipulators! though if i had the money i wouldnt hesitate buying the komplete2. i've tried some other products, and they work perfectly.
Sorry i have no advice to help reaktor crash less! just wanted to prove that one persons frustrated conclusions are irrelevant as to a products quality.
though i sympathise with your problems! maybe try cleaning up your system?

best

 

i'd say that emagic/apple is equally responsible for your
crashes. from what i've heard logic can give you hard times
with AU instances on g5 dual computers. i'd suggest that you
also ask emagic about your issues, if you haven't done
that already. i can't give you a better hint, because i'm
a pc user and i haven't had a crash for several months (!) now.

best wishes

ingo

 

sorry to hear you're having so much trouble. I just installed a dual G5 running Logic Pro 6.4.2 and Reaktor 4.1.2 and I have not encountered the problems you're running into. I'm still on OS 10.3.2. I'm going to wait on the latest OS for now. Also I use a MOTU 2408 mk3, I'm wondering if there's something up with your 828 - I realize it runs everything else fine but there is a history of "issues" between NI and MOTU as I understand it. I'd describe my setup as stable. And I run a fairly large, elaborate system.

As to who to blame, I don't think it's all NI's fault. As Ingo pointed out, Apple/Emagic are definately still working out bugs. I'm finding all sorts of weirdness in Logic -

The R4.1.3 update is in open beta testing. I feel NI is being much more methodical and cautious in beta testing than ever. Personally I'm convinced that NI is making significant efforts to improve things across the board including R4 development. And there definately was a time when I was very vocally doubtful of their commitment.

I wish I could be more helpful for you.

 

Re: Reaktor 4 is garbage as AU in Logic

It should be noted that the current version of Logic doesn't conform exactly to the AU standard. In particular, Logic's audio instruments hijack midi cc7/10 before it gets to the plugin. This is a known issue causing problems with some plugins.

 

I too feel your pain, nothing worse, especially with a state-of-the-art system such a s yours. Certainly the downside of being a computer musician BUT in all fairness I also am using Reaktor 4.1.2 and Logic Pro 6.4.2 without the kind of debilitating experience you seem to have. I do not use any audio interface since tracks created on my PB 17/1 GB/OS 10.3.4 system all get transfered to a seperate Protools system. I do run intensive combos such as a Reaktor Instrument+Reaktor FX+Altiverb+Space Designer+assorted AU and VST>AU combos. The trade-off is I cannot do offline bounces as Reaktor turns itself off at the 100% cpu usage required by offline bounces. Honestly, I have more of a beef with Antares products (Tube, Kantos) which always crash Logic when closing the session with the most recent version of VST>AU Adapter. I think this illustrates that system differences are still an issue even for all the attempts to "standardize" the Mac platform (AU, Core Audio, etc.). I do hope your problem gets addressed as it should but think its fair to say that Reaktor is not "garbage" for the other users with Logic in common at least in the sampling thus far represented in this thread.

 

I had five instances going last night with no problems. Today i experianced the strange bug where reaktor and all other audio instruments stop receiving midi from logic. This is the bug that made me so angry. Luckily if you save the song and then close it and reopen it it works. So there seems to be some bug where Reaktor causes all audio instruments to stop receiving midi. Didn't get any crashes today, so thats good. Reaktor is the only plugin that is essential to me, so this is why I have to vent my frustration on here every so often. Yeah, its not garbage but closing and reopening songs does ruin workflow and creativity. I just hope 4.3 is the final update that fixes all bugs! It really is ridiculous when a company has to release 3 or so updates in a matter of weeks cause they can't get it right. I'm assuming the wait will be worth it, well i'm hoping!

 

Re: Re: Reaktor 4 is garbage as AU in Logic

hah - that sounds pretty bad - not even emagic conforms. i understand that other companies don't want to be under steinberg's thumb, but from a user (rather than developer) perspective i don't see how things like AU and DXI improve on vst. they just seem like another way to complicate things.

fwiw, i also use logic pro 6.4.2 with reaktor 4.1.2, on a 12" pb 867MHz. i don't notice a lot of problems, but i make a habit of freezing tracks a lot, and my expectations of reliability have gotten relatively low.

regarding antares, the way they sell auto-tune (maybe other products too, i'm not sure) is a bit annoying. i have auto-tune vst for mac, which means that this is the only platform it works on. i can't use it on a pc, and if i want to use it in logic i need a wrapper, which as cgibson described, can cause problems. they make an au version, a dxi version and so on, but they're separate products. even waves at least supports an entire operating system when they sell you a set of plugins. though they don't support tracktion.

 

Originally posted by Mutate
"...but closing and reopening songs does ruin workflow and creativity."

No doubt.

Originally posted by bowings
"...and my expectations of reliability have gotten relatively low."

Also too true. Thankfully I am temporarily in that place where these things don't interfere with my creativity (especially after 3 hardrives going bad in the same week). But do not think I don't have complete empathy for what you (Mutate) are experiencing, it's a real downer when it's your system and creative time getting blown all to hell, especially expensive "pro" software that you have made the investment in.

And this idea that AU implementations are the not same is a ridiculous situation, I thought thats what "standards" were for. But I have been told by several companies that their AU had been specifically tailored for Logic which is why they don't work in Live 4!

Heres hoping we can all laugh about this one day when all of this hassle is at least minmized for a product cycle.

 

Yeah, This is a little ridiculous. I thought Apple created AU? Emagic is owned by Apple so it would seem strange to me that a company owned by Apple can't follow Apple standards?

 

Remember that Logic was basically designed long before AU was invented by Apple. For example, special handling of midi cc7/10 is tailored to Logic's own plugins. This can't simply be changed by an update but requires some basic re-design. Thus, I assume that the next version (Logic 7) will provide a perfect AU implementation.

 

Well I can't wait for that along with the new emagic plug-ins (Ultrabeat - bye,bye battery, guitar amp and sculpture)!

 

where did you hear about these? they sound very interesting.

i hope this doesn't bum you out further but, i just tried pushing Logic Pro 6 and my new G5 for the first time. i couldn't get it to overload until my 8th instance of reaktor - i was trying to run limelite as that 8th instance - it was too much for this dual 1.8 ghz. i'm sure i could have loaded at least 1 more instance had i chosen a less cpu intensive ens. the 7 instances i ran were, physiostring, memory drum, koyaanisqatsi, anphitryon, beatslicer, green matrix, and numaik II ! ! i'm still kind of buzzed from the whole experiment ;-)

 

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