Released: Massive X

Where can I adjust the phase of a switcher lfo?
How can I remote the lfo?

 

Switcher LFO doesn't have a phase parameter.

When you set LFO to "Remote", that doesn't mean that you can remote it, that just means that its phase is reset whenever you press a key from the remote octave (to switch between performer presets).

 

No phase parameter for a lfo???????
lol
And if I want to restart the phase, I have to change a pattern of the performer at the same time??????
lol, again

Massive X is a flagship???
lol, again and again and again and....

 

If you want to restart the phase, set LFO to Loop RST mode.

 

I want to adjust the phase!!!

I know how to restart it. But it resatrts always with the wrong value!!!

 

Yeah, no LFO phase parameter as of yet. Maybe in an update, if you post in MX feedback area? (Be polite.)

https://support.native-instruments....y/topics/360000153338-Massive-X-Feedback-Area

 

Normally I am polite, if someone sells me junk as a flagship, I can get angry and express that.

 

Just because LFO phase is not there doesn't make it "junk".

 

take is easy. it might be better to invest in omnisphere given your advanced synth requirements.

hey, are you the punk rocker Bones dude from the KVR forums?

 

If it were just this one feature, Massive X wouldn't be garbage, but there are far too many things coming together.
Massive X had to be released in June, and rudimentary things fell by the wayside.

The concept and the sound are really great. But otherwise I feel like I'm back in times before the first massive.

I am not the punk Bones from KVR-Forum

 

i personally think it was good NI released Massive X in June. Lets face it, lots of people were expecting the product for a long time and there was a lot of bitching and complaining for a very long time about how it kept getting delayed. It does need some patching/updating (and a bloody manual!) but it's far from an unusable product. Look at it this way. You have a lot of hands on experience with it while NI keep tweaking it and patching it. But the time it gets to version 2.x you will be an expert at using it.

 

Can't you just a add a short delay to alter the phase of the LFO? It would be nice if we had some way of knowing how much the delay knob was actually delaying stuff- no parameter values displayed

Anyone have an ETA on the manual?

 

Thought he was a Wave rocker.

 

I've done an experiment with this. It doesn't restart the phase. If you set it to GTE which I assume means gate, the phase isn't zeroed with key down either, unless it's in Uni Z. I think Z mean zero phase. If you have the LFO set to GTE and Uni, the LFO pauses on release until you press another key. If you set it to RST, there seems to be a little fadeout on release, but when the key is pressed again the LFO starts at the same phase as when you pressed release. The design of the LFOs is quite strange and counterintuitive. Still awaiting the manual to explain it properly. If you want the LFO to behave more like conventional LFOs, use the Uni Z mode. I haven't tried experimenting with the different loop modes in bipolar.

I'm concluding that at the moment there doesn't seem to be any way of controlling the phase at all, not even with the delay knob(which doesn't delay the LFO itself, only mutes it until the delay time is over). The only thing that affects the phase of the LFO is the Uni Z setting.

 

I can't confirm this happening here... With LFO set to Free and Loop RST, regardless of Bi/Uni/Uni Z, it always retriggers from 0°. Really easy to hear with pitch modulation. Loop GTE just means the LFO is active for as long as the key is held, when you release the key, LFO is not active. Loop REL is the opposite - LFO is not active as long as you hold the key, it starts when you release it.

Uni/Uni Z modes are not always useful, since they are positive-only values.

 

That's odd. I'll try it again and see if I get something different and post some screenshots of the rendered results. I was using amplitude so it was easier to see on the rendered waveform, but I think perhaps the amp envelope was interfering.

 

These are the normalized renders using a triangle LFO synced to 1/4 notes and assigned to main amplitude. The amp envelope is set to 0 attack, full sustain and 0 release. The top 3 tracks are Uni Loop, RST and GTE respectively. The bottom 3 are Uni Z Loop, RST and GTE respectively.

As you can see here, the Uni LFOs do not start at zero phase, but they restart at the same phase on a subsequent note on as the previous note (which I've offset by an 1/8th to make it easy to see what's going on), whereas the Uni Z LFOs do start at zero phase in both RST and GTE modes.

 

I see correct behavior there. In regular "Loop" mode there is no LFO retriggering happening whatsoever, it's a freerunning LFO from whatever the initial phase was. When you're in Loop RST or Loop GTE modes, the LFO does retrigger, the only difference is that in Uni mode, it's like Bipolar mode shifted to only positive range of the LFO (so, 0° of the LFO is going to be +50 out of 100 instead of 0), whereas in Uni Z mode, the phase is rotated so that the waveform always starts from zero.



This is regular Uni mode in Loop RST. You can see that no matter where the waveform ends, LFO picks up from +50 amplitude rather than zero (which Uni Z would do).

I have intentionally not quantized the length of notes so that you can see they end at different phases and always retrigger from +50.

 

With all respect, you've not understood the issue. The curves on the exciter envelope are shaped using the A knob and the R knob. The diagram for the bi polar exciter depicts the envelope as consisting of an 'A' curve, a hold, an 'R' curve, followed by a 180 degree rotation of the 'A' curve, a hold, and a 180 degree rotation of the 'R' curve. Thats how the sections are labelled.

On the basis of this diagram the first and third curves are controlled by the 'A' knob, the second and fourth by the 'R' knob.

But that isn't how the envelope behaves. The 'R' knob governs the 2nd and 3rd curves. The 'A' knob governs the 1st and 4th.
Either the diagram is what was intended and the implementation is incorrect, or the implementation is what was intended and the diagram is incorrect.

Sadowick is right.

 

I'm not suggesting that the behaviour is unintended. I ran the experiments because I wanted to find out what Uni Z was doing. I now have a better understanding, although I'd rather have been able to just read the manual instead of doing science It would be nice to have more control over the phase. We can do it with the oscillators which IMO is less important, so why not the LFOs?