Remove 2nd Grid Button

Just like the browser button, there are two grid buttons. Hitting the grid button should turn on the grid. Hitting it again, should turn it off. Why must a user hit grid button and then hit button 1 (Grid) to keep grid function on?

 

Most people will press and hold the GRID button, select the desired grid, and release the GRID button. I prefer this over pressing the GRID button twice.

For some reason some people need to keep the grid function on. Therefore they can lock it with button 1.

 

I have to disagree. Overall, Maschine has too much press & hold down modifier buttons to gain access to other functions.

I think all the modifier buttons should behave like the sampling button. Once you hit a modifier button once, it should remain in that menu until you press the same modifier button (to return to Main menu) or another modifier button (to gain access to that specific menu).

 

+1000

I hate all the momentary screens on Maschine. You always have to use two hands or do finger gymnastics. Just extra unnecessary steps imo.

Yeah you can lock the buttons but that requires you to hold the button and press lock anyway before you even get to what you were doing. Edit: Plus, you have to do this each time you go back to that mode.

Why make you hold the button? Would rather just tap it once so I am free to do as I please until I am done and quickly tap it again or press another function I want to go to.

Seems like they over thought this and it winds up wasting more time then helping.

 

I don't see this as an issue at all. I like it the way it is as I don't need to have it locked most of the time.

 

I actually don't mind it in grid mode but that's because I don't use it much. But in pad mode I often want to adjust the root note for keyboard mode. I need to tap the pads while adjusting to hear the pitch I want and I would need my elbow to accomplish this or lock the button first. :lol:

I don't like having to hold erase + record to replace record. It should let you release those buttons and automatically go back into overdub mode after the loop cycles. I need those fingers for the hi hat and snare lol. And lets not forget the auto write button.

Maschine wants to tie up one of my fingers by gluing it to a button. Feels like playing twister with my fingers.

Now that I think of it, I see why some like the default way because I actually prefer that for solo. Not a deal breaker either way but sometimes it gets annoying. Would be cool if the page locks could stay on with a preference setting.

How about a "latch buttons" option in preferences so everyone is happy?

 

I can see why people would like some modes to lock automatically.

I guess it all depends on the primary task of a mode. And that's different for each user, because we don't all have the same way of working. And it can be different in each stage of the process (programming vs performing).

When I press the GRID button, the primary task for me is to select a grid. Then I prefer the current method.

If I don't use KEYBOARD/PAD MODE at all to play sounds at various pitches, only to select 16 VEL or FIXED VEL or QUANTIZE NONE/RECORD, then I don't want it to stay in KEYBOARD/PAD MODE. Then I prefer the current method.

If I use KEYBOARD/PAD MODE mainly to play sounds at various pitches, then I want it to lock automatically.

If I use SCENE MODE to select a scene when I'm programming the beat, then I prefer the current method.

If I use SCENE MODE to switch scenes in a live performance, then I want it to lock automatically.

So there's no way NI can make all users happy by changing the default settings to auto-lock. User preferences probably is the best solution.

 

what your suggesting is adding another button press to the equation, whats so hard holding the grid button and selecting whats needed with the arrow buttons or even easier by pressing the relevant pad.

holding grid, selecting grid with pad, letting go of grid, vs press grid, select grid amount, press grid again.

i prefer the way it is

the option to hold the grid button on button one is catered for extensive changes to the grid, ie if you are changiong the length, sync, & step.

for many of us holding grid tapping a pad letting go is where the money is at, i dont want to press grid, set grid, press grid again.

what im annoyed about is we do not have the button one option of locking the autowrite which i feel should be implemented so people can tweak with both hands.

 

Yeah, reading you guys comments it's more clear this is a personal preference thing that would be a nice option. Like I said, no deal breaker but I still have a time getting used to it.

I agree the autowrite really needs a latch. This is a real priority.

 

clearly everyone has their preferences for how they like to work, so why not make this suggestion along the lines of 'add the option to either toggle or lock the modifier screens' or a checklist in the preferences that lists the modifier screens and let the user tick off which they want to lock and which they prefer to toggle.... this way everyone works the way they like.

I like the lock on some screens, hate it on others and wish yet other screens had it (ie automation latch)...

 

+1

 

Grid has a lock for a reason. The secondary functions include sync, length, step, etc. Why would I want to press Grid and the have to press another Grid button to lock it.

Press the Grid Button should allow you to stay in Grid mode until you press the Grid button again...or any other button.

That is my story and I am sticking to it.

 

theres 2 ways to use grid,

hold grid tap pad = 2 button press (quickest method)

hold grid , press button 1, adjust what you want, press grid/button 1 = 4 button press

your demanding a 3 button press for what is actually catered for in the above 2,
and if they implement a latch , that means the above 2 will become void,

you want it to lock do the second option, for quick changes option 1 is easiest.

i have been demanding a latch on autowrite, press it , tweak knobs when done , press it again. <basically the same thing you are asking for regarding grid.

as no such option has been implemented, the devs will hopefully implement a latch for autowrite

 

I think we established several posts ago how to use Grid button and the 2nd Grid button which locks Maschine in Grid.

Problem:
Scene, Pattern, Pad Mode, Navigate, Duplicate, Select, Solo, Mute, and Note Repeat buttons have to be held down and a secondary button needs to be pressed to execute functions. Or you can use the other buttons to lock Mashine to stay in these modes (example..the 2nd Scene, Pattern, Nav, Dupl, Solo, Mute, and Repeat buttons).

My feature suggestion: I don't want to hold any button down. This is a simple concept. There is no need to press and hold down the Browse, Sampling, Play, Rec, Group (A-H), Control, and Step buttons. This is how the rest of Maschine should work.

When I press the Scene button, Mashine should stay locked in the Scene Mode until I press Scene button again or another button (such as Pattern, Navigate, etc.). This sums up to one-hand operation. I want Maschine to perform this way "to the greatest extent possible."

 

I don't think it's a big deal to have to use another button to lock. More often than not when I'm in pattern mode, scene mode etc it's only for a second to change one thing so it would be a bigger issue to have to press the button twice...eithre way this is very minor, but I'm just saying I LIKE the way it is now for these modes (some I agree could use a lock function e.g autowrite and rec+erase and if it's a second button press, I'll take it!).

 

I am glad to see me feature request is drawing so much attention.

None of this changes the fact that you have to press two buttons to stay on a particular screen, when just pressing one would do the trick. This is even more problematic when using this Maschine in a live setting. The way Maschine is designed, you have to use two hands to access the numerous functions I already listed several times. My suggestion improves the work flow and only one hand is needed to operate it.

This is not just about scene mode. There are at least 8 other modes that you have to the exact same thing. Its a workflow killer. As I wrote in other threads...NI doesn't have to re-invent the wheel. If NI wants to duplicate the workflow of hardware, they can start with these minor issues which no hardware has.

 

Good summary. What if you had to hold down browse to look for samples or sampling to edit chops? I think if all modes came locked standard and NI changed to the current way more of you would appreciate the issue.

Please add a preference to keep lockable modes always locked.

 

"What if you had to hold down browse to look for samples or sampling to edit chops? I think if all modes came locked standard and NI changed to the current way more of you would appreciate the issue. "


THOSE lock and for good reason. What if scene mode locked on a single press? Then to change to scene2 I'd have to press 3 buttons instead of 2...I mean you're saying it's an issue that you have to press two buttons to lock the mode...if it couldn't lock at all I think you'd have support. I can lock and unlock those modes in less than a second. This is not where NI needs to focus.

Things such as autowrite, however, where having two hands free is sometimes essential SHOULD be lockable. I just don't see how such a fuss could be made over having to press a second button to lock.

It would add NOTHING to the feature set to have Maschine lock automatically for grid/scene/pattern and for me it would just get in the way when I want to quickly change to another scene and then resume editing...or quickly change my grid and resume editing...I'd have to put the mode on...change the grid...turn mode off...instead of just holding the button while I select the appropriate pad, then releasing and being done...

 

gotta agree with you brother, the hold method is quick and fast, latch would work on autowrite but on all modes would hinder the speed of doing small changes,

 

I agree there are more serious issues and that autowrite being lockable is a priority.

Still would like the preference (that is what preference is for) because I prefer to not deal with the whole lock button mess and keep my hands free.

Even if there are bigger fish to fry, NI needs to know what we feel is annoying even if everyone does not agree. It's up to them to prioritize features.