Remove 2nd Grid Button

@b-righteous I agree completely.

 

Now this would be a great compromise. If we had a preference to keep lockable modes locked. This would make everyone happy.

And for the record, having them lock automatically does not slow down anything. If you press SCENE (and it locks automatically), you simply make your scene selections. If you want to then go into grid, simply hit the GRID button (locks automatically) and you make your grid changes. You want to go to pattern next, hit the PATTERN button and Maschine switches from grid to pattern. This method does not slow you down. You can use one hand operation. Hitting one modifier button after another quickly takes you to another mode. Then hitting a lit modifier button takes you back to the main screen. This is improved workflow especially in a live setting when you are operating multiple instruments and need your hands free to the greatest extent possible.

If you don't need this work flow improvement..that is fine. But I would like NI to look into giving us the "preference" to have the modifier buttons lock with just a single press of a button.

b-righteous, great idea!

 

I agree that would be a great compromise! But what you said here WOULD slow me down. Because when I go to scene mode, I don't go to grid mode next. I usually come out of scene mode. So now I gotta press a button again. What I DO like is that when sequencing in Maschine, I can lock into scene mode (with a quick two button press that I can still use one hand for) and then I can press pattern to insert my patterns and release pattern and STILL be locked into scene mode to pick patterns for the next scene. I think that's why the buttons don't lock by default. And it works absolutely perfect for me. I wouldn't change it. If you use it differently that's cool, but you're making it seem like your way is better and that's all there is to it. Where in my example above, your method of one button locks would be a significant impedence...

 

i agree on user's being able to choose what they wanna lock and a customisible prefrence for this.

but your 3 button press is less efficent then the 2 button press.

this is a advertised feature of maschine, streamlined functionality

 

Button presses.

OS 1.5:
1st button press: Press PATTERN modifier button and hold down
2nd button press: Press BUTTON 1 (PATTERN) to lock it
3rd button press: Press BUTTON 1 (PATTERN) or PATTERN modifier button to unlock it

Jahrome's suggestion:
1st button press: Press PATTERN modifier button; locks automatically
2nd button press: Press Pattern modifier button to unlock it

NI advertises features of Maschine, streamlined functionality...so make it happen. It also advertises features of the iconic MPC...continue to implement more of this.

 

But if you don't want it to lock, as it is by default and how many of us like it, it is only 1 button press.

Save your MPC superiority rhetoric for the MPC-forums:
http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=1207466#p1207466

Personally, I can't take seriously any opinion by someone who would say that "Maschine was just updated but it still lacks a full blown sampler...has the worst sample editing of any of the leading samplers.....and effects (yes, subjective) are no better than any of the latest MPCs."

 

Right JAHROME the thing is you don't HAVE to lock it...so to change the pattern, you have this:

1st button press: Hold PATTERN

That's it...you can select your pad and release. Why do you need all these modes locked?

I use PATTERN to change patterns. I want it on for a split second while I pick a pad, then I want it off again. That's why THIS mandatory lock isn't as productive as you're making it out to be. I'll keep stressing that there are modes that need a lock, but not these ones!

 

And this where you keep getting hung up on...

There is a lock for a reason. NI added it for those users that need to stay locked in that mode to accomplish certain tasks. Obviously, you are not one of them by your numerous posts on this matter. But for those that use this feature, its has the additional button presses you are annoyed by with my suggestion. Shall I repeat...too many button presses for those that need to lock the modifier buttons to accomplish certain tasks.

That is why what b-righteous suggested makes a lot of sense. We need a preference that allows us to set the behavior of the modifier buttons.

As far as the MPC forums, that is where you are suppose to read where the MPC outperforms its contemporaries. NI's feature request threads is where you will find suggestions by MPC and non-MPC users alike. This MPC user and owner of several registered NI products, will continue to give feedback where I feel Maschine is lacking. For those that don't like it...sorry, you are in for a long summer. And yes, Maschine's sampler is seriously lacking the functions many samplers have today, sample editing is subpar, and its effects are no better than any of the current MPCs. You (noiserot) can't be taken seriously to comment on something you know nothing about (modern software or hardware samplers). NI even acknowledges that Maschine's sampler is not up to the same standards as Kontakt and Battery.

Now if you believe that Maschine's sampler and sample editing is not inferior to other hard/software samplers, then give some specifics. I already have in numerous threads. I will repeat them if you need a refresher.

 

I agree fully that a preference would solve this. But you're asking to change the current method, a method which I think fits perfectly in Maschine's workflow. It's already gonna be a long summer for me and this forum is a nice distraction from work so I don't mind.

I'm just wondering how often you go into pattern mode, or grid mode, and stay there...what are you going to do in grid mode that you want it to stay on EVERY time you use it?

The odd time that I may want grid to stay on, or pattern etc, I can simply (and it is simple and fast) lock it with button 1. I can usually use my thumb and finger and still keep one hand free, but even if I couldn't I just don't get what you NEED the lock for and how it helps. If it's just because Akai does it that way, that's not a legitimate reason. It should really make things easier for the way those modes are used in Maschine...

 

Judging from your posts there, you come across as the attention seeking type that picks fights by nitpicking and twisting people's words to fit your arguments. Why get so worked up just because some people like Maschine better than MPC?

It's not about collecting gear to become to an expert at comparing gear specs to rate whether something is "superior" or "inferior". Maschine is not about having a long impressive list of the most feature-packed, advanced sampler functions. It's about having the hands-on workflow of dedicated hardware controls integrated within a software environment, which makes it more fun and efficient to make music without any of the inherent limitations found in standalone hardware like MPC or MV.

And most importantly, it's ultimately about the user, not the gear. It's about using what works for YOU to make music.

 

If you actually read what I wrote, you would see that I don't get worked up. I merely lay down the facts. There is nothing wrong with liking Maschine or an MPC...I do own both products you know. And if you care so much about researching my previous threads/posts, you will see that I go extra hard at Akai and JJ for adding feature requests that I feel are essential. Dozens of my suggestions (as well as many others) are now in these products.

I can understand where someone that may be less fortunate will claim I am a gear collector. This is a cop out and not a real argument at all. If Maschine was just about hands-on work flow, they wouldn't have bothered with improving the sampler and MIDI in OS 1.5. NI doesn't need you to tell people what Maschine is or isn't. We can all read the advertisements. NI added the feature request thread for a reason...customer feedback on how to make the product better. Currently, MPCs and MVs don't have the limitations Maschine has with sampling. NI needs to address this immediately if they want more of the MPC market..and they do want this market.

In the end, it is all about the user and not the gear. But if this was the only case, then why use Maschine at all when we can work within the "limitations" of an MPC/MV? Sorry...but the gear/tool is almost as important as the user. *Without an 8 track recorder, Ray Charles couldn't have recorded the lead and all background vocals of earlier hits.

And if it is never about the gear...all these dudes across these forums wouldn't list all their toys in their signatures. lol

 

Let's not get personal guys. Maschine does what it does and it does it in it's own ways.

JAHROME maybe you can stop using other products to justify what Maschine does/doesn't do well. I seriously doubt NI will change something JUST because it's done a certain way on the MPC, for example. I'm sure they're aware of that and have their reasons for doing it their way. If you maybe just focused more on the workflow improvements and how these changes would help Maschine users make music using the other existing Maschine methods (as opposed to helping them make music the same way it's done on other hardware) you'd probably face less resistance. Just a thought. Have fun everyone!

And to be clear, I'm not being specific to this thread, because this was a legit request. It's just that grid isn't a huge mode for Maschine so I think they give the lock for those who want to sit and change grid settings for an extended period of time. With any luck they make some check boxes for you in preference like "lock grid mode" "lock pattern mode" etc...

 

thats a bold claim when considering the time it takes to load up groups , projects on these machines, tracking out on a mpc is no where as fast as maschine. drag and drop entire scenes in a flash, solo a instrument drag and drop , very simple and effective.

what about all the hardware limitations of each device,

your gearslutz posts are full of false and wrong information.

you highlight alot of postive things regarding other equipment yet you never highlight postives of the latter, which is why people will think you have some sort of agenda.

 

I highlighted the negatives because there were already too many people highlighted the positives of Maschine. I played devil's advocate to bring balance. If someone enters an MPC forum to talk about a product that replaces an MPC...that individual has an agenda. My agenda is getting a product that fits my needs to the greatest extent possible. (see http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=108626&hilit=unplugged).

@KDilla
No sir, I won't stop comparing Maschine with an MPC. Why? Because it is all part of Maschine's advertisement/marketing campaign. In Maschine's feature overview, MPC is mentioned in the first sentence. Plus the fact that it is essentially an MPC...just like an MV....just like an ASR-X.

NI wants a piece of the MPC market. Why would they not? This concept has been selling like hot cakes since the 80s. So in order to gain a greater share of that market, NI will have to incorporate MPC features that MPC users really care about...starting with the sampler/sampler editing.

From my experience with these companies, they try their best to separate their products to maximize sales. Akai intentionally limited the MPC 1000 so it wouldn't impact the sales of the MPC 2500. Roland limited the sampler in Fantom G so it wouldn't impact the MV. NI limited the sampler in Maschine so it wouldn't impact Kontakt or Battery. Digidesign puts limits on Pro Tools LE so it wouldn't impact Pro Tools HD.

Personally, I don't care about any resistance to my suggestions or comments. I post them as feedback to NI and not any of you. I am sorry but that is the truth. I am not trying to drum up support. This is why you would rarely see me in a feature request thread created by another to tell them how much NI should ignore wants/needs. If they want a particular function, I assume its for a good reason. If NI thinks its a great idea..then so be. But I am leaving that to the experts. I will just continue to post my needs. And you can continue to disagree. Like I said...it will be a long summer for you because I have plenty of ideas.

To wrap this up, I am not here to offend anyone. I am here to relate my experience with Maschine to NI. But if you respond to a thread about why my wants/needs should be ignored, then you should expect a lengthy response why I disagree. I am ok with this. But if your feathers get ruffled in the process, let me apologize in advance.

...until our next exchange.

 

It wasn't me that called you a gear-collector. It was your buddies at MPC-forums who knew that you were a long-time poster whose original username was banned for posting misleading information:
http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=1198579#p1198579

 

I guess we are done talking about Maschine? We can talk about other pieces of software in the appropriate forum. Better yet, I will even help you fund your next purchase. Show me "one" post (any forum) where I intentionally mislead "one" individual and I will help you purchase your next control surface or whatever you are using.

 

Lucky for you MPC-forums mods are quick to delete posts and threads that get out of hand.
Comments you made after just getting Maschine:
"The two LCDs are smaller than an MPC and shows very little information...practically none when you compare it with any MPC with the exception of the MPC 500. Maschine is just worse. NI should really redesign the LCD. You "MUST" use the computer monitor when using it. The LCDs are very little help when being used alone."
"Step. You must look at the computer monitor when using this mode since the LCD doesn't show any detailed information. When you start increasing the number of steps (by adjusting the grid) it is impossible to tell what you are actually doing looking at the hardware unlike an MPC or MV."
"Especially from my experience using Maschine, the MPC 1000 does more and has a better workflow."
What others say:
"LOL! The most stupid post I read here in a loooong while. Prolly since Jahrome got banned."
"Your name is Jahrome you forget I can and have already checked your computer address no matter what you call yourself. As a MOD is one of the perks! As long as you play nice and not get back to your previous antics that got you banned in the first place you are getting a pass."

 

So where is the misinformation? And my previous account got locked because I clowned a mod which nothing to do with misinformation.

Getting back to Maschine....I know what you are thinking. You want to defend Maschine across several forums and tell people how superior it is to anything else. But the problem you have is that the people you are trying to compete with simply refers back to this forum to show that not all Maschine users agree with you. Sorry.

 

"You "MUST" use the computer monitor when using it. The LCDs are very little help when being used alone."
"Step. You must look at the computer monitor when using this mode since the LCD doesn't show any detailed information. When you start increasing the number of steps (by adjusting the grid) it is impossible to tell what you are actually doing looking at the hardware unlike an MPC or MV."

 

I stand by that statement. It is very accurate. Maschine's LCD doesn't show the grid like it's software. An MPC and MV displays their grid on their LCD in great detail. Maschine doesn't match this. It's not even close. That is why I insist that you must use your computer monitor to get the same effect.

I talk about this in detail in the LCD thread. "Maschine's hardware and software should be identical to the greatest extent possible.".