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Discussion in 'GUITAR RIG' started by Dad and son, May 12, 2012.

  1. Dad and son

    Dad and son New Member

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    hello. I've ku8, rig kontrol hardware, and would like to config my guitar to play custom made reaktor instruments. is it possible? and if so what are the steps? thanks

    also can anyone please advise as to why I can log into the forum but can not log into the community or support? thanks!
     
  2. Roming22

    Roming22 Forum Member

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    Hi,

    I believe Reaktor needs a midi input to trigger sounds.
    GR5 is not capable of audio to midi conversion.
    You'll need specific hardware for that. There's a thread about that just below yours.

    Cheers
     
  3. Dad and son

    Dad and son New Member

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    thanks for your reply. rig kontrol (pedal board) features midi, would we be able to send the midi out to our m-audio fasttrackpro and then control reaktor? thanks
     
  4. Roming22

    Roming22 Forum Member

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    Yes you can configure the RK pedal to send midi messages.
    Then it is up to you to configure Reaktor to react to those messages.
     
  5. Dad and son

    Dad and son New Member

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    thanks again for your reply. it looks that there are least 3 different ways to get this done:

    1: using ni rig kontrol to generate midi to send to reaktor.
    2: using VoiceKeys II (this looks interesting and I'll need more exact info)
    3: using sonnus guitar to midi box (least interesting choice)

    I'll give rig kontrol a shot 1st and post back. thanks
     
  6. jaslan

    jaslan NI Product Owner

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    If you are talking about converting the guitar notes into MIDI notes and then sending them, I don't think Rig Kontrol does that. It sends MIDI but only stuff generated by the pedals and switches, etc. (i.e. controller messages). I apologize if I am misunderstanding your goal.
    J.L.
     
  7. Dad and son

    Dad and son New Member

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    thanks. if I owned n.i., it would be a done deal. audio to midi should be integrated, .......yesterday.
     
  8. doumdoum

    doumdoum NI Product Owner

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    The MIDI on Rig Kontrol is a full featured MIDI interface for the computer like the AUDIO part of RK is a full featured AUDIO device. You can select it in the MIDI devices configuration in a software (like Cubase, Sonar, whatever) and send whatever MIDI commands the software sends (notes, controller, sysex... etc.) to feed an external MIDI device like a hardware synth.

    For the OP:

    It doesn't do guitar to MIDI, to do that, you would need a software in the computer that would translate a guitar signal plugged in the audio input of the computer audio interface (could be RK) to MIDI and send the translated info to the MIDI output of the MIDI interface (could be RK too). If such program existed, it would work with any AUDIO and MIDI interfaces, not only Rig Kontrol; but I don't think it exists because it cannot precisely decode "chords" waveforms.

    To do guitar to MIDI you need a guitar equipped with a MIDI pickup such as Roland GK.
     
  9. Roming22

    Roming22 Forum Member

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    To be exact, the pickup is not MIDI. It just picks each string separately and sends it to a device that can then transform the pitch of each string to a MIDI signal.

    You can;t plug the Roland GK into a synth. You need an AXON-50 or the guitar synth pedal from Roland.

    Cheers
     
  10. Dad and son

    Dad and son New Member

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    has anyone had success with FRETKEYS or VoiceKeys? if they translated guitar to midi as good as the axon or sonuus, then it would be my choice.

    http://www.native-instruments.com/i...&L=1&type=0&ulbr=1&plview=detail&patchid=9472

    http://co.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=userlibrary&type=0&ulbr=1&plview=detail&patchid=9485

    the roland is useless here, as the gk3 is proprietary for the gk20. again, the objective is to have guitar play reaktor instruments/ensembles. anyhow, if I owned n.i., it would be integrated into the rig kontrol............yesterday.
     
  11. doumdoum

    doumdoum NI Product Owner

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    Actually the GK is more a "standard" than useless, you need one or something similar with the AXON. All Godin or Fender "MIDI" guitars comply with the GK standard.

    FretKeys is monophonic, could be OK for some type of lead guitar or other monophonic instruments like saxophone but useless for chords.

    If you owned NI and managed to integrate this into RK, there would probably be the 13 pins standard connector on your RK and you would still need an hex pickup on the guitar "à la GK" unless you don't care for chords which is a bit unusual with a guitar.
     
  12. Roming22

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    The 13pins GK connector is indeed the standard for guitar to processors connectivity. AXON and Roland provide processors, the Roland ones (GK-20 and GK-55) having on-board sound as well the MIDI Out connector to control external instruments.

    You can have a look at this thread too, to watch the video of what is achievable with such processors.

    Cheers
     
  13. doumdoum

    doumdoum NI Product Owner

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    I own a GK2A and a GI-10 (no sound, only "13 pins" to MIDI) but the device in the video you post seems to track a lot better, which is normal since there must be 15 years between those technologies.

    I was was answering to the OP who seems to think it would be easy to integrate "guitar to MIDI" in Rig Kontrol which in fact I think the only way would be to put the 13 pins connector and the processor in the pedal so he would still need the hex pickup or the device in the video.

    For monophonic work, there is nothing to add in Rig Kontrol, only running a software on the computer that would do it; maybe that capability could be added to Guitar Rig.
     
  14. Dad and son

    Dad and son New Member

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    after reviewing all, I decided on the triple play. will post when it arrives. thanks all.
     
  15. doumdoum

    doumdoum NI Product Owner

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    My knowledge of available devices for guitar to MIDI was a bit outdated. The Triple Play interface is quite interesting

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nKhlmJ4EeI"]Fishman TriplePlay Wireless MIDI Guitar Demo - Winter NAMM 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

    It seems to track quite well. The only drawback I can see is you need to pass through a computer if you want to drive a hardware synth, but who does that these days in this great softsynths world.

    But again, you don't need Rig Kontrol to use that.

    Thanks for posting that, I'm thinking of putting my GK2A and GI-10 to retirement.
     
  16. Roming22

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    They should create a built-in version of the triple play, based on their piezo bridge.

    I find this add-on as ugly as it seems to be fun ;)