http://www.factmag.com/2017/11/22/cakewalk-closes-sonar-development-ends/amp/ Sad really.. the product was just getting good. Ultimately it alienated most of it's customers including me, the product was fine, but sadly the forum became a hard core fanboy club which the Devs rallied behind. I was a ex mod in these forums and the situation became intolerable, I actually got set up. I suspect there's gonna be one or two of the same people who will say it's buggy Those people clearly have not used to product over the last few years. Oh well. Just as well I bought Live 10. I'd love to say I'm surprised but I am not.