RIP Cakewalk Sonar

Discussion in 'General Production Forum' started by CakeAlexS, Nov 22, 2017.

  1. District Onagi

    District Onagi NI Product Owner

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    Here is hoping that doesn't happen... but the way things have been and are going it seems like a real possibility. Bleh
     
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  2. Zigbert D.

    Zigbert D. NI Product Owner

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    The consensus among business analysts seems to be that they incurred too much debt with questionable acquisitions, combined with slumping instrument sales. And to be sure, Cakewalk was losing money when Gibson acquired them from Roland, and how much of Cakewalk's continued poor performance has to do with Gibson and how much is on Cakewalk's management is not known to me. However, Gibson's overall status, which I have to believe is the prime motivator behind shuttering Cakewalk, is entirely of their own making.

    https://www.strata-gee.com/gibson-brands-headed-default/
     
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  3. wetdentist

    wetdentist NI Product Owner

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    i wrote a poem last night called "Gibson Kills Cakewalk" because i felt compelled to do so.
    this is so much worse, to me, than NI killing Kore and Cakewalk killing Project 5
     
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  4. swamptooth

    swamptooth New Member

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    Hey Alex. I had the same issue with the Cakewalk forums...
    Good to see you again.
     
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  5. skinswashdc

    skinswashdc Well-Known Member

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    You have a 2.7 update coming with audio (maschine's version of it). They dropped the best maschine controller in the product line, and a komplete kontrol mk2. What signs have been given that they will end up like cakewalk?
     
  6. Zigbert D.

    Zigbert D. NI Product Owner

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  7. CakeAlexS

    CakeAlexS NI Product Owner

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    So not only on Live but on Studio One now (crossgrade discount).
     
  8. Zigbert D.

    Zigbert D. NI Product Owner

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    Also Cubase, crossgrade to Cubase Pro 50% off regular full purchase price ($255 in USD). I'd already been considering Cubase or Live recently, though I've been using Cakewalk since forever and have a lot of time invested in developing fluency with it. Hardware integration (with MIDI controllers and control surfaces) was just a giant PITA and now I KNOW it'll never get fixed.
     
  9. Justerini

    Justerini New Member

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    Hi All
    I was way way back a more dedicated muso (1990 - 2000) then music took had to a back seat (family kids etc) and used Cakewalk back in the early days.

    Having reinvigorated my interest and built a small home studio this year (purely to compose and play with the kids) I reinvested in Cakewalk Platinum
    (Monthly subscription)

    Now that it is no longer to be could I ask advice on what I should replace it with.
    My gear is simple
    Alesis Q88 controller keyboard, Old Roland XV5080 Sound Module with expansion boards X 8 (32 midi channels), Behringer 8 Channel Mixer with USB - planning to buy a Audio interface as the mixer USB is basic quality for recording Guitar and vocals
    I have additionally purchased Kontakt 5 so looking to buy more Instruments
    I play Jazz classical and rock (Guitar, trumpet & piano)
    I am looking for the replacement to include decent VST instruments or able to add VST plugins

    I've Downloaded Ableton Live Demo version today and will play around with it also looking at CuBase
    I have both a Mac and Windows 10 PC at home with enough grunt

    Any suggestions / comparisons would be appreciated

    Thanks
    Justerini
     
  10. Uwe303

    Uwe303 NI Product Owner

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    Thats all up to you and you are doing good with testing as much as you can. Also try out reaper that a fantastic DAW but can be complicated the first time cause of the fantastic routing options. I personally use Cubase but as a mixing tool after I made the song in maschine, I load maschine as plugin and already use the mixer and sends in cubase, that has the advantage that after bouncing the resulting audio tracks will have the same fx and sends for deeper control afterwards. But everybody has it's own workflow. But I would say for your jazz thing cubase with Kontakt is perfect, cubase also comes with great sounds, Kontakt then adds also great stuff and the linear approach I guess fits best to you.
    Cubase is good in both audio recording/editing and midi recording and editing.

    Uwe
     
  11. Justerini

    Justerini New Member

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    Thanks Uwe
    I'll have a look at reaper -

    An item I forgot to mention is as I am teaching my son and daughter Piano and Guitar, I found the Cakewalk Staff a bit restrictive, lacking in producing proper music notation for them to use printed out.
    I also use Guitar Pro7 which has limited midi functionality but has excellent scoring for all instruments so what I currently do for guitar tracks is create them in Guitar Pro (for printed the notation out - and then export the audio and / or Midi to Cakewalk,
    Do you have any opinion on the "scoring or notation of any software? -
    I have just looked on the Reaper site and am downloading the demo, the Notation editor looks good, I'll give that a try as well

    Appreciate your response

    Many thanks
    Justerini
     
  12. Uwe303

    Uwe303 NI Product Owner

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    Oh i dont use notation but I know that's also possible in cubase, it has it's own advanced editor and if you need more Steinberg has dorico but the one in cubase should be fine.

    Uwe
     
  13. Justerini

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  14. Uwe303

    Uwe303 NI Product Owner

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    Thank you - I'm a queen fan since i was a little kid - but the flash mash is not my song it is a re post - but the other stuff are my creations
     
  15. Justerini

    Justerini New Member

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  16. Justerini

    Justerini New Member

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    And "Sanctity" is a mashup of 70's rock, 90s grunge also a big favourite
    Awesome vocals
     
  17. CakeAlexS

    CakeAlexS NI Product Owner

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    I've gone with Ableton and Studio One. Studio one has many similarities with Sonar and I totally recommend it - and it's cheap for you now:
    http://blog.presonus.com/index.php/presonus-cakewalk-crossgrade-offer/
     
  18. CakeAlexS

    CakeAlexS NI Product Owner

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    Funny I've just back to the Cakewalk Forums and posted my eulogy.
    This was followed by an immediate permaban within 10 minutes :p. Asshats.
     
  19. Bertotti

    Bertotti NI Product Owner

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    All you guys must be thrilled someone bought all of the sonar IP sp cakewalk seems to be getting some love again.
     
  20. CakeAlexS

    CakeAlexS NI Product Owner

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    Yeah Sonar is gonna be made great again o_O.
    The person/s responsible for killing it are now the great heros of the day...
    Same old crap....

    A significant amount of the user base I would assume have switched DAWs and discovered they are better off, including me. I'm on Studio One and the only thing I miss is templates. Studio One does everything better (well meters and gain staging could improved a little but can easily be worked around).
     
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