Sampling a custom Reaktor patch for commercial distribution

Hi, I'd like to include a sampled version of a pianoesque instrument with a commercial product. Am I allowed to use Reaktor as the source synth for this? I wouldn't mind creating my own patch and not using a pre-existing one.

Since I will need complete control over quality and size parameters, I can't use a third party solution.

I'm really uncertain about the EULA on this one, so I figured it's best to ask

 

sorry, can you be more specific.

what is this pianoesque instrument? is this a Reaktor Ensemble that you want to sample and then include that sample as part of a Library?

sowari

 

Hey,

what I meant was simply a Reaktor patch that sounds "kind of" like a piano. My question is rather generic: can I sample a Reaktor sound/instrument and include it in a commercial suite?

Hope it's more clear now

 

I don't know for sure, but my guess would be you can do anything except redistribute the actual samples included with Reakor.

 

why would you think you could not?
I would think the only way to cause trouble would be to use the reaktor brand as your own..like "The Sounds of Reaktor vol 1."

 

I would look to Spectrasonics maybe? They simply list the synths used for their base sound set (software and hardware, INCLUDING REAKTOR), maybe drop Craig a note to see if anymore than that acknowledgement was even required?

http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/omnisphere_gearlist.php

I use them as an example as Craig and company are all around good folk so I would think they did their 'due diligence' on the matter.

 

not sure i see the point of using Reaktor to sample sounds that are like a piano.

morally, i also think you should program your own snaps and sample those - and you say above that this is what you will do - and i would have thought that Reaktor would be best for more IDM electronica type sounds.

sowari

 

Thanks for the replies, guys!

The truth is I need something simple and lightweight - a piano-like sound would be nice, but isn't strictly a requirement. I figured using Reaktor for this would be the easiest since it contains some sound-alikes and allows for a lot of customizability. The main problem is getting the attack & loop parts and release trails to edit together properly (which is kind of difficult since I can't afford something like Redmatica's AutoSampler at this time).

Sampling my own real piano would entail too much effort/expenses at this time and there aren't really any freely available piano libraries out there that would allow me to re-sell them (and I'm not too big on relying on an external dependency).

Naturally, if anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate it a lot!

 

thanks for bringing this up, Aesthetic. (and: hi guys! it's been a while ...) don't want to hijack your thread, but this seems to fit in nicely here rather than in a separate thread.

i'm thinking of creating way(way)out samples with reaktor and selling them online. but i'm not sure about legality.

i'm guessing that samples i create using my own ensembles are legal to sell, provided that any sample maps in the ensembles use samples that are either made by me or that i have a license for.

but what about if i use, say, an ensemble that i downloaded from the UL then modified? or what about the fact that many of my own ensembles use bits of code from other UL ensembles?

i'd like to be ethical, and i'd certainly like to be legal ... but i'm just not sure what either of these means in terms of selling reaktor-based samples.

can anyone fill me in?

thanks!

rick

 

Aesthetic, i am still confused about this piano thing... if you want a conventional acoustic piano, then Reaktor is not right software for you.

could you be more specific about "sound-alikes"

rachMiel, imho, i think it is legitimate to create your own snaps from UL Synths and sell them but i wouldn't personally use other people's samples - to resell - even if i changed the snap. if you put your own samples in a UL Sample mangler and sampled that, then that should be okay.

sowari

 

I am not a lawyer, but I am an ethical being.

When I think about other types of creations ( math, physics, economics, etc. ) - they are all based on the ideas of others.

So for me, as an ethical being, it all amounts to the amount of new creativity I put into something old.

 

Is there any legal/ethical difference between selling music created using Reaktor ensembles/presets and selling samples made using Reaktor ensembles/presets?

 

good question, moujik. i'd like to know the answer also.

 

This is just a copyright nerd technicality discussion now.
The sample The Verve ripped from the Rolling Stones for Bitter Sweet Symphony was a problem because it made a ton of money and was a huge hit. If it wasn't a huge hit no one would care.
If you made a million dollars sampling your toaster popping up toast, Black and Decker might want their cut. Reality is you can do practically anything with soundware because there is no money to be made at all either way.

 

the verve paid for that sample.
the stones should never have sued over it, and they should never have won.

 

i can't believe no one knows the answer to this!

I would suggest, with alot of certainty, YES you can do whatever you want with sound synthesized with reaktor, and royalty free samples supplied with reaktor. If NI sold you copyright sounds that could get you sued it would be iresponsible, they dont, but user libray samplers may contain samples of unknows origin that theoretically have a 1/1000 of getting you in touble IF they are recognisable samples.

Reaktor synth sounds and NI-reaktor supplied samples can be used for music/TV/Public broadcast/CD's/Sample CD's/SETI broadcasts, etc.

just check if you know where any recorded material used by user library samplers come from and you are 100 percent legit.

 

Too low sound quality + noisy background.

Like taking one sample key from ? and one sample key from there and there and so on from different commersial instruments = making bad sample libraries.

 

Not sure what´s going on here.
Maybe i´m just back from the future with my time-machine.

We had a similiar discussion last year. With similiar people. Similiar Answers.


btw. i programmed the Time Machine in R 7.3

 

macrospank: it's all cycles (within cycles (within cycles (within cycles (within ...)))).

 

Rachmiel, you can't really do recursive loops in Reaktor... ;-)